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Proky says yes. This is why I've said all along to offer Chandler, Curry, 1st, or kick rocks. We are getting played, and it's all thanks to Dolan and Isiah. Walsh had this one under control from the start. You can see why we just completed a decade of incompetence, and are headed for another the way things are going.

 

"I think we made a very good tactical decision to force (the) Knicks to pay as much as they can," Prokhorov said. "So it's very good, it's very interesting, it's very competitive."

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/nets_owner_says_meeting_with_anthony_5mT1wDWB1bHuW4YE8buebM

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Source tells Newsday Denver has told Knicks tonight that Timofey Mozgov must be included in multi-player deal for Carmelo. #fb

 

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Source says if Knicks decline to include Mozgov in the package, Anthony will be traded to the Nets.

 

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Re: Carmelo going to Nets if Knicks don't include Mozgov, Carmelo still would have to sign off on extension. Sources still say he won't.

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Proky says yes. This is why I've said all along to offer Chandler, Curry, 1st, or kick rocks. We are getting played, and it's all thanks to Dolan and Isiah. Walsh had this one under control from the start. You can see why we just completed a decade of incompetence, and are headed for another the way things are going.

do we really know Isiah is even involved in these talks? I think that might just be a ridiculous rumor someone came up with to raise some eyebrows.

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do we really know Isiah is even involved in these talks? I think that might just be a ridiculous rumor someone came up with to raise some eyebrows.

 

That's fine, the fact of the matter is that Dolan hasn't cut ties completely with Isiah Thomas and that in itself is an outrage. The man has absolutely no sense for the business, and will allow him to waltz right back into the situation we were in a few years ago.

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Proky says yes. This is why I've said all along to offer Chandler, Curry, 1st, or kick rocks. We are getting played, and it's all thanks to Dolan and Isiah. Walsh had this one under control from the start. You can see why we just completed a decade of incompetence, and are headed for another the way things are going.

 

 

 

http://www.nypost.co...B1bHuW4YE8buebM

 

Why don't the Knicks just offer Chandler and Curry for Melo?

 

If the Nuggets don't like that than guess what?

 

You get nothing for Melo, and he signs with the Knicks in the offseason.

 

He wants to be there, he doesn't wanna be a Net, he wants to be on a REAL New York team...

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@WojYahooNBA: A front office exec with knowledge of 'Melo talks btwn DEN-NY says: "Knicks won't lose this deal over a reserve big man."

 

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Melo reiterated that the #Nuggets have "been knowing since day one" where he would and wouldn't sign. #NBA

 

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More Melo: "The deadline is Thursday. Something has to happen. ... The end is here." #NBA

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Was just watching ESPN...

 

Chris Broussard talked about how the Knicks wouldn't be able to re-sign Chandler in the off-season and Raymond Felton is not a big part of their future(Deron Williams/CP3)

 

He then went on to say the trade is basically Gallinari, Curry, and a pick for Melo and Billups.

 

He then said something along the lines that the Knicks HAD to make that trade considering who they're getting in return.

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Was just watching ESPN...

 

Chris Broussard talked about how the Knicks wouldn't be able to re-sign Chandler in the off-season and Raymond Felton is not a big part of their future(Deron Williams/CP3)

 

He then went on to say the trade is basically Gallinari, Curry, and a pick for Melo and Billups.

 

He then said something along the lines that the Knicks HAD to make that trade considering who they're getting in return.

First of all, Felton is still part of the future. He's still going to be here next season, and he's been terrific. He should've been an all-star. Williams/CP3 are definitely better, but let's not act like Felton is some scrub average 10 pts and 5 ast per game and is a terrible defender. This dude can play. He's rust on the cusp of being an elite PG in this league...

 

Chandler, yeah, he probably wouldn't have been resigned I guess from what I am hearing so ok.

 

And Gallinari is still a top 10 pick in the draft, is what, 22(?) and is becoming one of the top shooters and better scorers in the league. He is also an underrated defender.

 

Carmelo is a top 15 player in the NBA, no doubt, but he is also overrated. He plays virtually no defense, his rebounding is suspect for a F, and he doesn't pass from the games I've seen. Steve Kerr was discussing how him and Amar'e would be together, and he thought they would not be good together at all, and I think I'd have to agree...

 

So there's more to this trade than Chris Broussard is saying on TV.

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First of all, Felton is still part of the future. He's still going to be here next season, and he's been terrific. He should've been an all-star. Williams/CP3 are definitely better, but let's not act like Felton is some scrub average 10 pts and 5 ast per game and is a terrible defender. This dude can play. He's rust on the cusp of being an elite PG in this league...

 

Chandler, yeah, he probably wouldn't have been resigned I guess from what I am hearing so ok.

 

And Gallinari is still a top 10 pick in the draft, is what, 22(?) and is becoming one of the top shooters and better scorers in the league. He is also an underrated defender.

 

Carmelo is a top 15 player in the NBA, no doubt, but he is also overrated. He plays virtually no defense, his rebounding is suspect for a F, and he doesn't pass from the games I've seen. Steve Kerr was discussing how him and Amar'e would be together, and he thought they would not be good together at all, and I think I'd have to agree...

 

So there's more to this trade than Chris Broussard is saying on TV.

 

I think people underrate Melo as a defender, but he isn't good by any means.

 

Carmelo is an average defender at least, but he usually guards the teams first or second option so he looks bad.

 

I disagree that Melo is a suspect rebounder.

 

Carmelo is averaging a career high 7.6 RPG this year and that's pretty great considering he plays the SF position.

 

In fact, you have to go back to 2006 to find a year Carmelo didn't get at least 6 rebounds per game.

 

I agree that Melo is overrated by many people, but he plays some defense and he is a great rebounder for the SF position.

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I think people underrate Melo as a defender, but he isn't good by any means.

 

Carmelo is an average defender at least, but he usually guards the teams first or second option so he looks bad.

 

I disagree that Melo is a suspect rebounder.

 

Carmelo is averaging a career high 7.6 RPG this year and that's pretty great considering he plays the SF position.

 

In fact, you have to go back to 2006 to find a year Carmelo didn't get at least 6 rebounds per game.

 

I agree that Melo is overrated by many people, but he plays some defense and he is a great rebounder for the SF position.

I wouldn't call him a great rebounder. Plus, in the Knicks system, he'd be playing almost like a PF position a lot of the times, with Amar'e at the 5. That's two weak rebounding fowards, and pretty bad defensively.

 

Sure they may combine to give you 50 or 60 points per game, but if you can't stop anyone or get a rebound it could be a disaster.

 

The more I think about it, I start to wonder how much better the Knicks get from this trade...

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I wouldn't call him a great rebounder. Plus, in the Knicks system, he'd be playing almost like a PF position a lot of the times, with Amar'e at the 5. That's two weak rebounding fowards, and pretty bad defensively.

 

Sure they may combine to give you 50 or 60 points per game, but if you can't stop anyone or get a rebound it could be a disaster.

 

The more I think about it, I start to wonder how much better the Knicks get from this trade...

 

I was under the belief Shawne Williams would start at the 4 and Melo would play the 3.

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I was under the belief Shawne Williams would start at the 4 and Melo would play the 3.

 

Still super duper undersized.

 

I can see the Knicks picking Earl Barron back up if this whole thing goes through, if for no other reason than adding a little size. But including the Moz takes away a ton of our size and rotation options going forward.

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Still super duper undersized.

 

I can see the Knicks picking Earl Barron back up if this whole thing goes through, if for no other reason than adding a little size. But including the Moz takes away a ton of our size and rotation options going forward.

 

The New York Post said the Knicks were looking into Barron a while back, and if I remember he averaged a double-double with the Knicks last season. He's worth a look for sure.

 

Knicks May Acquire Earl Barron

Feb 14, 2011 07:42 AM EST

http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Barron_Earl_mia_080302.jpg

 

Donnie Walsh still believes New York's biggest need is at center and the team's most likely pre-deadline acquisition may be Earl Barron.

 

Walsh intends to bring Barron back to the team, according to a source.

 

Barron was cut by Phoenix on Dec. 22, and has been waiting patiently for the Knicks to open up a roster spot.

 

He was a huge success late last season when he signed with New York for the final seven games.

 

ViaNew York Post

 

Read more:http://basketball.re...n#ixzz1EcL6P4hN

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Sources say NJ in talks w/Den to send 2 1st round picks to Den for Mozgov & either Gallinari, Chandler or Felton, if Melo traded to NYK

 

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NJ-Den trade for NYK players would not be 3-way with NYK; it would be 2 separate deals

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The Knicks still need to do what they can to make it work. Melo could be overrated in many eyes (not really mine), but he's a franchise player. When you pair a franchise player (Melo) with an all-star (Amare), you have a much better shot than you do today, and it will attract free agents.

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The Knicks still need to do what they can to make it work. Melo could be overrated in many eyes (not really mine), but he's a franchise player. When you pair a franchise player (Melo) with an all-star (Amare), you have a much better shot than you do today, and it will attract free agents.

 

Good point, but as Steve Kerr said, what about the new CBA?

 

What if Amar'e and Melo eat up 85% of the new salary cap and you are left with 15% to spend on role players?

 

You can't attract solid free agents, you'll just attract vets and rookies.

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Good point, but as Steve Kerr said, what about the new CBA?

 

What if Amar'e and Melo eat up 85% of the new salary cap and you are left with 15% to spend on role players?

 

You can't attract solid free agents, you'll just attract vets and rookies.

If they decrease the cap by that much, they'll be decreasing all player salaries along with it.

 

For example, if the cap were to fall to, say, $40 million...that means that 85% of the payroll would be $34 million. There would be no way.

 

A significant cap drop would call for all salaries to be lowered by a percentage, from 25-30% (proposal was 33%, at one point).

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