Check my Stats Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Can you please define a wannabe white boy? lol Em made a concept album that he probably knew wouldn't go over well. Do you think he expected an album talking about rape and serial murder would go over well? The majority of those songs CAN'T be played on the radio. But then again the radio isn't the only way to determine mainstream success, in fact the best way is itunes downloads IMO. When you got people paying for your [expletive] you know you've made it big. So let's take a look: "We Made You" #9 US #4 UK #6 CAN"3 a.m." #32 US #56 UK #24 CAN"Old Time's Sake" #25 US #61 UK #14 CAN"Beautiful" #17 US #38 UK #8 CAN So as you can see his first single was obviously his traditional mainstream, try and remind people he's back, his "radio" single basically. It was pretty crappy to say the least, especially after 5 years off, but regardless it went top 10 across the world. His disturbing second single '3 AM' had disgusting content, and it still cracked the top 40 in North America. His last two singles, 'Old Time's Sake' went top 20 in Canada and 25 in the US, and Beautiful, the 2nd best song on the record IMO, went top 10 and top 20 in the US, making his 5th straight top 40 single. How can you actually sit here and tell me he isn't a successful mainstream artist? In fact you'd be hardpressed to find a SINGLE artist who is more successful mainstream then Eminem.. Are there better rappers then Eminem right now? Yes, of course, Em is definitely not on top of his game right now, at least not in terms of content. But Em is obviously just being himself, he doesn't give a [expletive] about sales, if he did he'd just give everyone what they want, instead he makes [expletive] that other great rappers, Jay, Kanye etc respect. He is the only artist in the world who can rap over a beat, make your head bop, and be talking about rape and incest. Em is on top of the mainstream world, and as far as I'm concerned people will continue to eat that [expletive] up, and if you know anything about rap then you'd know Em was lyrically back on his game on Relapse, I am expecting Relapse 2 to be the album the people want. EDIT- Those rankings are the billboard hot 100, if you don't know what that is then -_- lol. Just posting this because it isn't solely download rankings, it is radio play and overall the hottest songs in the world. Edited July 13, 2009 by travesy3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurbyFX Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 It's kind of hard to judge those sales when you have no one releasing ANYTHING during the course of Em's little reign. Are you going to back that up? Who dropped a single album when Em did his? You think people fear him or people just didn't have anything to drop? I mean seriously, Em's PR hit the jack pot with the timing they drop their stuff. T.I. in jail. Weezy doing his thing with the guitar and on tour. Kanye doing his thing still jacked up that he smoked 50 in record sales and put him in his place. How could you even say it was the Lil' Wayne era? Em said it himself, if it weren't for T.I. AND Wayne, hip hop would be dead. Nas also dropped an album when Em was on hiatus and Lupe postpone what he announced as his last album but then renaming it. No offense, Em just got the luck of the draw and hit the gold mine where no one is doing much and then he comes out and drops a comeback album. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Em fan but to say he has mainstream on lockdown [i'm referring to it when you said RIGHT NOW] is a joke. His NEW [expletive], just wasn't that good IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 It's kind of hard to judge those sales when you have no one releasing ANYTHING during the course of Em's little reign. Are you going to back that up? Who dropped a single album when Em did his? You think people fear him or people just didn't have anything to drop? I mean seriously, Em's PR hit the jack pot with the timing they drop their stuff. T.I. in jail. Weezy doing his thing with the guitar and on tour. Kanye doing his thing still jacked up that he smoked 50 in record sales and put him in his place. How could you even say it was the Lil' Wayne era? Em said it himself, if it weren't for T.I. AND Wayne, hip hop would be dead. Nas also dropped an album when Em was on hiatus and Lupe postpone what he announced as his last album but then renaming it. No offense, Em just got the luck of the draw and hit the gold mine where no one is doing much and then he comes out and drops a comeback album. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Em fan but to say he has mainstream on lockdown [i'm referring to it when you said RIGHT NOW] is a joke. His NEW [expletive], just wasn't that good IMO.So Weezy can play a guitar that makes him good? Lol the worst song on Relapse is better than anything Weezy put out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 It's kind of hard to judge those sales when you have no one releasing ANYTHING during the course of Em's little reign. Are you going to back that up? Who dropped a single album when Em did his? You think people fear him or people just didn't have anything to drop? I mean seriously, Em's PR hit the jack pot with the timing they drop their stuff. T.I. in jail. Weezy doing his thing with the guitar and on tour. Kanye doing his thing still jacked up that he smoked 50 in record sales and put him in his place. How could you even say it was the Lil' Wayne era? Em said it himself, if it weren't for T.I. AND Wayne, hip hop would be dead. Nas also dropped an album when Em was on hiatus and Lupe postpone what he announced as his last album but then renaming it. No offense, Em just got the luck of the draw and hit the gold mine where no one is doing much and then he comes out and drops a comeback album. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Em fan but to say he has mainstream on lockdown [i'm referring to it when you said RIGHT NOW] is a joke. His NEW [expletive], just wasn't that good IMO. The only rapper on the planet who would have a chance at outselling Em is Wayne, and probably Kanye. But you can't honestly sit here and tell me all his albums that have been number 1 were because of "timing". And "timing", wtf? I mean how often do 2 artists drop on the same day anyways? Anyways, Em dropped on the same day as Red and Meth as well as Busta, and not to mention I think it was Green Day who dropped a week later? Don't sit here and tell me about "timing" lol, Em is moving records regardless. Anyways, I don't know if you are confusing quality with mainstream success, because Em is still moving units as good or better than anyone out there, and just because it ain't his best [expletive] doesn't mean he doesn't have the mainstream on lock. Em and Wayne are on top with Kanye close behind, but Wayne could be on the brink of falling off unless he drops a song like Lollipop or A Millie pretty soon and get people talking about this album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurbyFX Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Where did I say playing a guitar makes him look good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Please someone tell me what makes Lil Wayne's songs so good because I must don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurbyFX Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 The only rapper on the planet who would have a chance at outselling Em is Wayne, and probably Kanye. But you can't honestly sit here and tell me all his albums that have been number 1 were because of "timing". And "timing", wtf? I mean how often do 2 artists drop on the same day anyways? Anyways, Em dropped on the same day as Red and Meth as well as Busta, and not to mention I think it was Green Day who dropped a week later? Don't sit here and tell me about "timing" lol, Em is moving records regardless. Anyways, I don't know if you are confusing quality with mainstream success, because Em is still moving units as good or better than anyone out there, and just because it ain't his best [expletive] doesn't mean he doesn't have the mainstream on lock. Em and Wayne are on top with Kanye close behind, but Wayne could be on the brink of falling off unless he drops a song like Lollipop or A Millie pretty soon and get people talking about this album. I was referring to Relapse. Had another mainstream artist dropped a record that's similar of Em's talent. Ex. Kanye, T.I, Jay-Z, Nas, Weezy, maybe even Lupe [Not sure how many big supporters we got here but Lupe is one of the most underrated arists and yes, I think anything Lupe has done >> Relapse by a mile.] His old stuff was/still is amazing. I just don't feel the same way you feel about Relapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I find it hilarious that most of you DEFINITELY liked Lil Wayne and his garbage for the past two years, but now you hate him. . He's always sucked dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I don't think Relapse was great lol, in fact I think there are more classic Em songs on Encore then on Relapse. But I agree that you could make a case for all those guys being better than Em, besides Wayne and iunno about T.I. All I'm saying is he is the biggest rapper in the industry along with Wayne and Kanye and Jay-z, not the best but the biggest, in terms of sales he is basically in a class of his own. He set the bar this year going 600k first week, I am interested to see who can top it, don't look like Wayne will and I doubt Jay will. Kanye has the best shot at topping it IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I don't think Relapse was great lol, in fact I think there are more classic Em songs on Encore then on Relapse. But I agree that you could make a case for all those guys being better than Em, besides Wayne and iunno about T.I. All I'm saying is he is the biggest rapper in the industry along with Wayne and Kanye and Jay-z, not the best but the biggest, in terms of sales he is basically in a class of his own. He set the bar this year going 600k first week, I am interested to see who can top it, don't look like Wayne will and I doubt Jay will. Kanye has the best shot at topping it IMO.I can't wait for Kanye's next album if its anything like Graduation we are in for a real treat . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Please someone tell me what makes Lil Wayne's songs so good because I must don't get it. I bet you used to listen to him, even though he has always sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) I can't wait for Kanye's next album if its anything like Graduation we are in for a real treat . I don't even think Graduation was that good. College Dropout was/is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graduation is still a good album compared to stuff getting dropped regularly. EDIT_ What makes Wayne good in people's eyes is the beats he gets on, and how catchy his songs are. People don't care about what he is saying in his raps, they just care about the chorus and the beat. Edited July 13, 2009 by travesy3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) I don't even think Graduation was that good. College Dropout was/is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graduation is still a good album compared to stuff getting dropped regularly. EDIT_ What makes Wayne good in people's eyes is the beats he gets on, and how catchy his songs are. People don't care about what he is saying in his raps, they just care about the chorus and the beat.Agreed College Dropout was my favorite album, We Don't Care, All Falls Down, Family Business, Through the Wire. Thats like 5 of my favorite 5 Kanye songs but he has changed his style considerably since then. I don't even think Graduation was that good. College Dropout was/is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graduation is still a good album compared to stuff getting dropped regularly. EDIT_ What makes Wayne good in people's eyes is the beats he gets on, and how catchy his songs are. People don't care about what he is saying in his raps, they just care about the chorus and the beat.I know it was kinda rhetorical lol, sad just goes to show you you can put anything on a beat these days and people will eat it up Edited July 13, 2009 by Fish7718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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