The Regime Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director, warns in the handbook that “a lockout is VERY likely.” “The revenue increases and unprecedented growth the league is experiencing has done nothing to assuage ownership’s demand that we drastically reduce player salaries and benefits,” Hunter says in the guide. “Commissioner (David) Stern and the owners have given us but one option and that is to fight for a fair deal.” http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212088/Union_Issues_56_Page_Lockout_Handbook_To_Players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Dont even wanna think of this shit right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Edited March 13, 2011 by Sun Tzu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 tbh, I don't really care I'll just watch hockey or something, or hopefully football will be back by then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliCurbStomppa Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 How long is this gonna go on you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devz Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) Best not to worry about it. Let it play out and see how it goes. Just take joy in all the games that you know are left. Thats how I made it through the NHL lockout. Edited March 13, 2011 by devz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devz Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 How long is this gonna go on you guys think? I'm thinking about half a season similar to the 98-99 lockout. I don't think we'll see it take the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Great. They gonna ruin our 4-peat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I view it as millionaires vs. millionaires, with the fans losing out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 This means, Kobe, Duncan and Nowitzki get older while not playing any games. Win/lose situation for me either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htown11 Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 This sucks. Life is hard enough for fans that go out and support these guys at home. Gas is expensive just to get to the arena now days and people have to decide how they spend there money, just to go to a game you add up all the costs and how ridiculously expensive parking, food and drinks are.... it seems so unfair to the fans that struggle while these guys are not wiling to give up a penny of the millions and millions of dollars they earn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I view it as millionaires vs. millionaires, with the fans losing out.some of the owners are billionaires, and what do you mean 'fans losing out?' this is more of a players versus owners battle. the owners and the league will seek less money for the players and probably a hard cap, whereas the players and the union will seek similarly lucrative contracts. on top of that, they'll have to work out other issues (age limit, possible contraction, length of contracts, salary cap expectations, basketball related income, revenue sharing, etc). Life is hard enough for fans that go out and support these guys at home. Gas is expensive just to get to the arena now days and people have to decide how they spend there money, just to go to a game you add up all the costs and how ridiculously expensive parking, food and drinks are.... it seems so unfair to the fans that struggle while these guys are not wiling to give up a penny of the millions and millions of dollars they earn.even if I had a max contract, I'd still refuse to give up a penny. this is about principles. if I'd already signed an official NBA contract, there's no way I'd be willing to give them money. I don't care how much some teams are losing; that's not my problem. for whatever reason, people think the players should have to make all the sacrifices. someone who's more business oriented understands why that's the wrong perception. you just explained the importance of the fans. well, without the players, there are no fans. the players and the fans are the people who keep the league in existence. it's the owners who need to make changes, actually. they need to be smarter with their money and not give Rashard Lewis and Elton Brand max contracts. sure, I'd be willing to make changes for the future if I was a player. I'd probably be willing to agree to shorter guaranteed contracts and maybe a hard cap, but I wouldn't let the league rollback current player contracts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htown11 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 even if I had a max contract, I'd still refuse to give up a penny. this is about principles. if I'd already signed an official NBA contract, there's no way I'd be willing to give them money. I don't care how much some teams are losing; that's not my problem. for whatever reason, people think the players should have to make all the sacrifices. someone who's more business oriented understands why that's the wrong perception. you just explained the importance of the fans. well, without the players, there are no fans. the players and the fans are the people who keep the league in existence. it's the owners who need to make changes, actually. they need to be smarter with their money and not give Rashard Lewis and Elton Brand max contracts. sure, I'd be willing to make changes for the future if I was a player. I'd probably be willing to agree to shorter guaranteed contracts and maybe a hard cap, but I wouldn't let the league rollback current player contracts. Well I am not a player, I am thinking from a fans perspective because that's exactly what I am. Fans have there own problems and sports works as an escape to those daily problems, now we have to listen to the leagues financial problems about who doesn't want to give up money... screw that. Players are making lots of money and if they see a cut in paychecks they still will be making substantially more than than hard working fans that idolize and support them, and somehow get to these games. You say be responsible with your money and tell owners/organizations to be wise when issuing these contracts well why can't we say the same to the players who will be seeing cuts.... how about they become responsible with there money, if the rest of the population is getting laid off and struggling they can afford to join into reality and see a pay-cut, they still will be living comfortably. I won't just say players I mean I don't know the specifics and don't really care, make it fair as possible, but understand the circumstances and be realistic. I get they are stars and all that but in no way is this fair to fans, but we hear "it's a business" from just about every NBA player so I am not trying to sound naive about it I get it, but like I said simply this sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Well I am not a player, I am thinking from a fans perspective because that's exactly what I am. Fans have there own problems and sports works as an escape to those daily problems, now we have to listen to the leagues financial problems about who doesn't want to give up money... screw that.you don't have to listen to anything. Players are making lots of money and if they see a cut in paychecks they still will be making substantially more than than hard working fans that idolize and support them, and somehow get to these games. that's not the point. you always fail to see the principle of the matter. if I'm a player and I already signed an official NBA contract (guaranteed money), I'm not going to suddenly give some of that back just because Stern decides the league needs more revenue. [expletive] Stern. if the league's not making money - that's his problem, not the player's. I could go on and on about this, but I don't think you'd understand, ever. You say be responsible with your money and tell owners/organizations to be wise when issuing these contracts well why can't we say the same to the players who will be seeing cuts.the players don't run the team. their job is to play basketball; the owner's job is to run the team. if I owned a restaurant and you were one of my waiters and I said, 'my restaurant's losing money, I'm only gonna pay you five bucks an hour now instead of eight.' would you be cool with that? how about they become responsible with there money, if the rest of the population is getting laid off and struggling they can afford to join into reality and see a pay-cut, they still will be living comfortably.'the rest of the population' isn't getting laid off and struggling; that's a gross misrepresentation. by your logic, all society's wealthiest people should have to give away their own hard-earned money whenever there's a struggling economy. that's the type of socialist bullshit that pisses me off to no end. no - the rich people shouldn't have to just give away their money because other people are struggling. if you think otherwise, I'm very, very sorry. I won't just say players I mean I don't know the specifics and don't really care, make it fair as possible, but understand the circumstances and be realistic.lol you admit you don't really understand these negotiations, but then you tell me to understand the circumstances? what a joke. I get they are stars and all that but in no way is this fair to fans, but we hear "it's a business" from just about every NBA player so I am not trying to sound naive about it I get it, but like I said simply this sucks.apparently not. you already said you don't know the specifics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htown11 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Oh lord nevermind don't bust a "literal" nerve.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFranchise03 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) I know it would suck but i wouldnt be pissed at the owners/Stern if a lockout happened. It would also be a perfect time to get a new commissioner. http://www.businessinsider.com/forbes-17-of-30-nba-teams-lost-money-last-year-2011-1 I we dont know all the numbers but if more than 10 teams lose money cause of the system and economic situation then there needs to be a change. The players have the right to try to get more money but why should any owner want a business that loses money. Edited March 25, 2011 by DaFranchise03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 No way, David Stern isn't even THAT bad of a commissioner. Heck even if he was the worst commissioner in the world I wouldn't stand for an NBA lockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFranchise03 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 No way, David Stern isn't even THAT bad of a commissioner. Heck even if he was the worst commissioner in the world I wouldn't stand for an NBA lockout. he isnt bad but its time for a change. Longest tenured commish and it just seems like things are just getting worse. Seems like a lot of hostility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Interestingly, the team with the biggest jump and the one with the biggest fall were both affected by one man. When LeBron James left Cleveland for Miami, the Heat's worth went up 17% and the Cavs' fell 26%.lol that's crazy. I'd love to see Stern go, but it's not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I don't know what the NBA's system for revenue sharing is, but they need to try and find a way to get all the markets on a close to equal playing field. That is why I have, and will continue to endorse some sort of hard cap.. The discrepancy between the top and bottom teams is already huge, and it is only going to get bigger as they are allowed to add players despite not having cap each year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 For those claiming that its expensive to be a fan shelling out all their cash (And it is) to watch these games, keep in mind that most non-major-market NBA owners lose money every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) For those claiming that its expensive to be a fan shelling out all their cash (And it is) to watch these games, keep in mind that most non-major-market NBA owners lose money every year.it's so hard for me to believe that, but who am I to question the validity of Forbes? anyway, this is why the league needs a hard cap; the NBA's turning into MLB with the same teams contending every year. Edited March 25, 2011 by The Truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) it's so hard for me to believe that, but who am I to question the validity of Forbes? anyway, this is why the league needs a hard cap; the NBA's turning into MLB with the same teams contending every year.oh yeah, because the Celtics and Lakers were definitely contenders before 08. The Heat have been perennial contenders for over the past 10 years. Chicago was still an elite team after 98. Some teams built themselves properly(San Antonio) and now are reaping the rewards by having a nice mix of old and young talent. Hell, the Knicks haven't been a playoff team in ages, and they are this year. There is plenty of change in the NBA. It is normal in any sport for there to be teams at the top for several year spans, that is why they call the good ones dynasties. Edited March 25, 2011 by Lkr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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