The Truth Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm looking over their stats and LeBron leads Rose in just about every category besides assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm looking over their stats and LeBron leads Rose in just about every category besides assists. Because he's this years media darling. He's been absolutely incredible this year, without a doubt All NBA First team, but if I had a vote it would go to Dwight or LBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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*Swish* Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Because of this:http://www.backstagegfx.com/forum/uploads/U141-1300503404.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Newman Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 LeBron, Wade + Bosh > Rose, Noah, Boozer yet the Bulls have a better record. The Magic had their ups-and-downs, the Heat had their ups-and-downs, but I feel that we are probably the most consistent team in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Another big reason: http://healthcorpsolutionsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/YahooDOTcom-Sports-Blog-pic-of-LeBron-James-Announcing-Decision.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 19, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Because he's this years media darling. He's been absolutely incredible this year, without a doubt All NBA First team, but if I had a vote it would go to Dwight or LBJ. Another big reason: http://healthcorpsolutionsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/YahooDOTcom-Sports-Blog-pic-of-LeBron-James-Announcing-Decision.jpgYep, people hate him, we get it. Here's another reason why: Because he's this years media darling. He's been absolutely incredible this year, without a doubt All NBA First team, but if I had a vote it would go to Dwight or LBJ. Another big reason: http://healthcorpsolutionsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/YahooDOTcom-Sports-Blog-pic-of-LeBron-James-Announcing-Decision.jpg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) If you don't think "The Decision" has anything to do with Rose's sudden rise in popularity then you're being naive. He's sorta like this year's version of what Kevin Durant was last year. The nice, young, humble player everyone wants to root for. I'm not saying Rose doesn't deserve the award, because the case can certainly be made for him, but I think Dwight and LBJ should be ahead of him. Edited March 19, 2011 by Charlie Sheen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Lebron is teamed up with a superstar in Wade, and an allstar in Bosh. He would have to put up some really convincing numbers to win MVP. And to be quite honest I don't think either of those guys are going to win MVP as long as they are on the same team, not with guys like Rose, Durant, and Dwight being the focal points on their respective teams. Derrick Rose is averaging 24.7 points per game and 7.9 assists per game and the Bulls currently have the #1 seed. The teams #2 scoring option Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah have missed 52 games between the two of them. He's simply doing more with less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Lebron is teamed up with a superstar in Wade, and an allstar in Bosh. He would have to put up some really convincing numbers to win MVP. And to be quite honest I don't think either of those guys are going to win MVP as long as they are on the same team, not with guys like Rose, Durant, and Dwight being the focal points on their respective teams. Derrick Rose is averaging 24.7 points per game and 7.9 assists per game and the Bulls currently have the #1 seed. The teams #2 scoring option Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah have missed 52 games between the two of them. He's simply doing more with less. I think that makes it more remarkable that LeBron is still second in the league in scoring considering he's playing alongside Wade and Bosh. I'd say Dwight has done the most with less. That team is so horrible besides him its not even funny. But you can also easily make that case for Rose as well. Edited March 19, 2011 by Charlie Sheen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reno Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm looking over their stats and LeBron leads Rose in just about every category besides assists.Cause D rose is from chicago baby, and chicago is the greatest city in the world. /end of discussion. It also does not help that hes lead the bulls to the best record in the east, despite the amount of injuries the bulls have had with key players. And hes putting up good numbers, and has been very clutch for the most part. Lebron won back to back mvps, and they want to give it to someone new and fresh. Miami has had very high expectations before the season started, and anything less of that would be considered a failure, and so far it looks that way. Things may be different next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 19, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 If you don't think "The Decision" has anything to do with Rose's sudden rise in popularity then you're being naive. He's sorta like this year's version of what Kevin Durant was last year. The nice, young, humble player everyone wants to root for. I'm not saying Rose doesn't deserve the award, because the case can certainly be made for him, but I think Dwight and LBJ should be ahead of him.LeBron was a punk ass last season, with the Cavs...dancing around, taunting people, wearing cocky quotes on his shirts, not shaking hands with anyone, etc. He still won the MVP. You're wrong...just digging up an excuse that makes zero sense. The media eats up what he does. They love it. This isn't fan voting. Rose is doing much more with far less. Howard is the second candidate, only because the Bulls are a legit contender. LeBron has Wade and Bosh...his shot at the MVP should be over, just like it has been with other players in the past in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I think that makes it more remarkable that LeBron is still second in the league in scoring considering he's playing alongside Wade and Bosh. I'd say Dwight has done the most with less. That team is so horrible besides him its not even funny. But you can also easily make that case for Rose as well. Dwight is probably runner up imo, but it's not close. MVP=wins+stats. While Dwight is putting up impressive numbers the fact remains that his team is the 4th seed in the East, and that wont get it done. Dwight has more talent to work with, they just aren't as cohesive as the Bulls and it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) because NO ONE thought bulls would be this good, he's the leader of that underdog team (well not underdog anymore i dont think, legit contenders now)..and they are gonna win 50+ games Edited March 19, 2011 by Clutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Because of this:http://www.backstagegfx.com/forum/uploads/U141-1300503404.pngso team wins matter more than personal stats? I thought this was the most valuable player award. LeBron is leading Rose in every major category besides assists - he has more points, more rebounds, a better shooting percentage, even more steals, but because his team's a few measly games behind the Bulls, he shouldn't win? seems ridiculous. It also does not help that hes lead the bulls to the best record in the east, despite the amount of injuries the bulls have had with key players. And hes putting up good numbers, and has been very clutch for the most part. Lebron won back to back mvps, and they want to give it to someone new and fresh. Miami has had very high expectations before the season started, and anything less of that would be considered a failure, and so far it looks that way. Things may be different next year.hey, at least your honest. winning a third consecutive MVP would be history and I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who'd prefer not to see LeBron make history. LeBron was a punk ass last season, with the Cavs...dancing around, taunting people, wearing cocky quotes on his shirts, not shaking hands with anyone, etc. He still won the MVP.but he's a lot more unpopular now than he was last year. Rose is doing much more with far less. Howard is the second candidate, only because the Bulls are a legit contender. LeBron has Wade and Bosh...his shot at the MVP should be over, just like it has been with other players in the past in that situation.what do you mean by this, exactly? you don't think he should be able to win MVP anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Penny Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Because LeBron is in no way whatsoever the MVP. If it was called "Player of the year" or "Best NBA Player" then LeBron should win it, but LeBron is not the more valuable to his team than guys likes Rose Dwight or Durant, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 19, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 so team wins matter more than personal stats? I thought this was the most valuable player award. LeBron is leading Rose in every major category besides assists - he has more points, more rebounds, a better shooting percentage, even more steals, but because his team's a few measly games behind the Bulls, he shouldn't win? seems ridiculous.It hasn't been that way in a LONG time. Nash was never the best player in the NBA, but he won two consecutive MVP awards. Same with Dirk and his MVP. Bryant has one, Shaq has one. If it were about being the best player in the league, they would both have more, but they split votes due to being on the same team together...which is what needs to happen with the two in Miami. but he's a lot more unpopular now than he was last year.I wouldn't say a lot more. I can't think of a fanbase, other than the Cavs, who actually liked him last season. You had a few fans here and there, but as a whole, only Cleveland fans liked him...and there were even a few from that fanbase that couldn't stand him before he played his last game. Point was, being the "villain" wasn't keeping him from his second-consecutive MVP last season. It won't keep him from his third...something else should. what do you mean by this, exactly? you don't think he should be able to win MVP anymore?Not while he's teammates with Wade, unless he's dropping 30/8/8 on 50% FG and winning 70 games. He's going to have to stand out, way out, to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckets! Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Derrick Rose is MVP. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHutch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 so team wins matter more than personal stats? I thought this was the most valuable player award. LeBron is leading Rose in every major category besides assists - he has more points, more rebounds, a better shooting percentage, even more steals, but because his team's a few measly games behind the Bulls, he shouldn't win? seems ridiculous. Is that really your argument? It's the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Tell me this. Take Rose off of the Bulls. How many games do they win? Then take LeBron off of the Heat. How many games do they win? Now you tell me who is more valuable to their team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Is that really your argument? It's the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Tell me this. Take Rose off of the Bulls. How many games do they win? Then take LeBron off of the Heat. How many games do they win? Now you tell me who is more valuable to their team. Take Dwight off the Magic and what are they? Exactly, they'd be worse than Cleveland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) I get the Rose for MVP talk, but I think it's selling short the coaching Thibodeau has done this year. The reason why the Bulls are so tough to beat isn't just that Rose is a tremendous player, it's that he has that team playing ridiculously tough defense from top to bottom. The Bulls have a positive +/- even while Rose is on the bench. Their second unit keeps teams struggling to score, allowing the Bulls to be very, very good for 48 minutes. Nobody would say Rose is a top 5 defensive PG. That's not knocking him though as he's definitely improved this year under Thibodeau, but it's interesting that from a pure offensive standpoint, compared to past MVP's especially, he's not out of this world or even close to them. 2010 MVP: LBJ PER 31 (#1)2009 MVP: LBJ PER 31 (#1)2008 MVP: Kobe PER 24 (#7)2007 MVP: Dirk PER 27 (#2)2006 MVP: Nash PER 23 (#14)2005 MVP: Nash PER 22 (#18)2004 MVP: KG PER 29 (#1) Usually, MVP goes to a guy near the top of PER, mainly because it's been an offensive award for a long time now. Kobe's award in 2008 could've gone to either LBJ or CP3 and Nash's awards have been the most scrutinized MVP awards I can remember. 2011 MVP?: Derrick Rose PER 23 (#12) This isn't hating on Rose because his season has been amazing. Its just interesting where he stacks up compared to past MVPs. Edited March 19, 2011 by Charlie Sheen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 The fact that the Heat have two possible MVPs just cancels them out. Plain and simple. It's Rose's award this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 The fact that the Heat have two possible MVPs just cancels them out. Plain and simple. It's Rose's award this season. Why? If one of them, or both(case can be made for Wade) are putting up better numbers than Rose why shouldn't he win MVP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Why? If one of them, or both(case can be made for Wade) are putting up better numbers than Rose why shouldn't he win MVP?Because when you have 2 possible MVPs on one team it shows that one is just not that valuable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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