Force Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Because when you have 2 possible MVPs on one team it shows that one is just not that valuable.Exactly..they can be putting up better numbers and all but Rose has that team at the top of the standings and as legit contenders. This being done without the help of any superstar by his side. His impact is bigger and thats why HE's the MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Because when you have 2 possible MVPs on one team it shows that one is just not that valuable. No one is talking about Wade as an MVP. Wade's MVP year went to LBJ. LeBron is putting up better numbers all around besides assists by .8 and is leading the league in PER while his team is only 3 or 3.5 games behind Rose's. You can't make a statistical argument that would favor Rose against LBJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Didn't read thread. He is leading an inferior cast to LeBron to a better record so LBJ isn't even in the discussion. He has good enough stats which is all that matters. MVP has never gone to the player with the best stats, otherwise LBJ would be winning his like 5th straight this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 No one is talking about Wade as an MVP. Wade's MVP year went to LBJ. LeBron is putting up better numbers all around besides assists by .8 and is leading the league in PER while his team is only 3 or 3.5 games behind Rose's. You can't make a statistical argument that would favor Rose against LBJ.What I said must have went right above your head. Wade is having another MVP caliber year alongside Lebron. When you have a another MVP-quality player it puts into question how valuable you actually are. Rose has become his team's motor and led his team to an impressive 1st seed, while loosing both of his big men for long spans of time. If the MVP was a completely statistical race then Wade was robbed 2008-2009 by Lebron. Lebron led his team to first seed with mediocre help throughout the season. Sound familiar to a certain candidate this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 LMAO @ the Bulls supporting cast being considered mediocre. Boozer, Noah and Deng are mediocre? C'mon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) They are a good supporting cast, but not close to 60 win good. Not to mention all the injuries they've had. I know you will defend LBJ unconditionally, but he simply is not the MVP this year. Best player in the NBA? Yeah, but those are two completely different things. Only way LBJ will EVER win MVP with Wade on his team is if the Heat win close to 70 games or Wade falls off and looks more like a 2nd option instead of a superstar. Might not seem fair, but that's just the way it is going to be from here on out. Edited March 19, 2011 by Check my Stats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 LMAO @ the Bulls supporting cast being considered mediocre. Boozer, Noah and Deng are mediocre? C'mon now.When Boozer and Noah miss significant time, they do become mediocre. Funny thing is they are still better than Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. You should change your name, because your team just cant win as much as they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reno Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 If Wade and LeBron are both candidates for MVP and Rose's team is ahead in the standings, what does that tell you? And rose not top 5 defensively for point guards? really? Hes been on ball defensively this year, hes made quite a bit of the top pg's have sub par nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 They are a good supporting cast, but not close to 60 win good. Not to mention all the injuries they've had. I know you will defend LBJ unconditionally, but he simply is not the MVP this year. Best player in the NBA? Yeah, but those are two completely different things. Only way LBJ will EVER win MVP with Wade on his team is if the Heat win close to 70 games or Wade falls off and looks more like a 2nd option instead of a superstar. Might not seem fair, but that's just the way it is going to be from here on out. Good, then give Thibodeau the COTY award. That doesn't mean Rose deserves the MVP. LeBron for MVP! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Why? If one of them, or both(case can be made for Wade) are putting up better numbers than Rose why shouldn't he win MVP?No one is talking about Wade as an MVP. Wade's MVP year went to LBJ. LeBron is putting up better numbers all around besides assists by .8 and is leading the league in PER while his team is only 3 or 3.5 games behind Rose's. You can't make a statistical argument that would favor Rose against LBJ.Miami's only 2.5 games back now, but yeah, I agree with you completely. I haven't seen any compelling arguments here that make me think Rose deserves it over LeBron. what I've gotten out of this is that LeBron and Wade are both basically disqualified from winning MVP's anymore simply because they're on the same team. that's extremely retarded, but it's the way most people think, I guess. if Miami was like fifth in the standings right now, I'd totally understand the argument for Rose, and I'd agree, but Miami's not fifth in the standings. they're a measly 2.5 games back of Chicago and LeBron has more points, rebounds, steals, a higher fg%, and a higher PER than Rose. even with all that, Rose is still the MVP because his team is less than three games above LeBron's? makes zero sense to me, but that's how the voters are gonna go, probably. they'll say his team did better, so he deserves it, when really, they just couldn't stand to see LeBron win it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHutch Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Take Dwight off the Magic and what are they? Exactly, they'd be worse than Cleveland. Please show me where Dwight was mentioned in his argument. He was talking about LeBron's stats being better than Rose. What does Dwight have anything to do with this? But yes, take Dwight off the Magic and they are awful, same with the Bulls without Rose. The only difference is, Rose has his team in 1st, while Dwight has his team in 4th, 6 games behind.  I was simply implying that Rose is more valuable to his team than LeBron is to his. Dwight had nothing to do with it.  Oh, and Dwight is 2nd behind Rose IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 If Wade and LeBron are both candidates for MVP and Rose's team is ahead in the standings, what does that tell you? And rose not top 5 defensively for point guards? really? Hes been on ball defensively this year, hes made quite a bit of the top pg's have sub par nights. Interesting that you bring that up. Rose has allowed just 0.77 points per possession overall on defense this season, an elite mark for any defender, regardless of position. Chris Paul (0.86 points per possession allowed), Rajon Rondo (0.83 PPP allowed), and Russell Westbrook (0.92 PPP allowed) –- all excellent defenders -– have been trumped statistically this year, and by no slim margin. Rose has each of those players handily beat, and boasts a shockingly comprehensive defensive profile. http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/rose-dwarfs-other-improvements-with-defense/ The article is a little over a month old, but it's not like the Bulls or Derrick Rose have gotten any worse over that time period. People need to stop hating and accept the fact that Derrick Rose is a top 3 defender at point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 19, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 LOL. This topic is funny. By the way, just the other night, ESPN (who has been jocking LeBron for a few years now) just stated that Rose is the clear-cut MVP, and they should go ahead and give him the award (during the Bulls' highlights). I laughed...just awesome. It's not rocket science. LeBron has Wade and Bosh. He has sufficient help. Wade is an MVP candidate. LeBron is an MVP candidate. They will split votes, like others have in the past in that same situation. Rose doesn't have another candidate on his team, doesn't have another all-star on his team, and he's leading the best team in the East. End of discussion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Off-Topic, but when Kobe wasn't getting the MVP, the reason was his team wasn't good enough even though he was putting up 35ppg, had 81 points in a game, and outscored the eventual Western Conference champs through 3 quarters. LBJ's first and second options are better than DRose's first option. DRose has led his team to the top record in the east and has beat LBJ in every matchup. How is DRose NOT MVP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 No one is talking about Wade as an MVP. Wade's MVP year went to LBJ. LeBron is putting up better numbers all around besides assists by .8 and is leading the league in PER while his team is only 3 or 3.5 games behind Rose's. You can't make a statistical argument that would favor Rose against LBJ.I thought it was Dwyane Wade's team. :o    1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Off-Topic, but when Kobe wasn't getting the MVP, the reason was his team wasn't good enough even though he was putting up 35ppg, had 81 points in a game, and outscored the eventual Western Conference champs through 3 quarters. weren't the Lakers like a seventh or eighth seed those years? you can't compare a team that finishes in seventh or eighth to a team that finishes in third - Miami might even finish in second this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I thought it was Dwyane Wade's team. :o     Way to take that completely out of context. Then again, I'm not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 weren't the Lakers like a seventh or eighth seed those years? you can't compare a team that finishes in seventh or eighth to a team that finishes in third - Miami might even finish in second this year.LeBron has two all star teammates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 LeBron has two all star teammatesyeah, so you're punishing him for having good teammates. it's ok to finish eighth in your conference if you don't have much talent, but it's not ok to finish second or third when you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 yeah, so you're punishing him for having good teammates. it's ok to finish eighth in your conference if you don't have much talent, but it's not ok to finish second or third when you do? 7thDRose has led his team to a better record with no teammates near the level of Wade. Btw does this thread mean you'll be hopping back on the Heat bandwagon again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 7thDRose has led his team to a better record with no teammates near the level of Wade. Btw does this thread mean you'll be hopping back on the Heat bandwagon again?it does indeed, sir. i'm now officially a Heat fan again.  I still don't understand your point, however. the Lakers finished 7th in their conference that year while the Heat is currently 3rd in their conference. how can you compare those situations?  besides, I'll throw this into the debate now since we're comparing '06 Kobe to modern LeBron.  '06 Kobe did in fact average 35 ppg, but he also averaged fewer rebounds, assists, and blocks than what LeBron is averaging now. additionally, Kobe had a lower fg% and a lower PER. you also have to think that if LeBron didn't have Wade and Bosh this year (like how Kobe had no all-star talents surrounding him then), that he'd be averaging a lot more points this year. everyone keeps talking about how having Wade and Bosh increases LeBron's assist numbers, but without them, he'd probably be averaging at least seven ppg more and he might even have more rebounds as well, so it works both ways. I believe LeBron should win it this year and everyone else thinks otherwise. that's fine, though, I'm not gonna change my mind. like I said, if Miami was 5th or lower in the standings, I could understand that opinion, but otherwise, nah lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 So we're only 2 games behind Chicago, if we end up ahead of them come playoff time and LBJ has better stats, then what reason is there to have Rose ahead of LeBron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 So we're only 2 games behind Chicago, if we end up ahead of them come playoff time and LBJ has better stats, then what reason is there to have Rose ahead of LeBron? Did you just completely disregard every post in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 ^ but just hypothetically speaking, Â if the Heat somehow finish above Chicago, should LeBron win MVP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHutch Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Are you Heat fans really that ignorant? Stupid question.   Sounds like I'm talking to 3 year olds who don't know how to read.  If you take Rose off the Bulls, they are fighting for a playoff spot. If you take LeBron off of the Heat, they still have D-Wade and Bosh and will be a top team in the East. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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