JYD Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Record Without Billups (got hurt in ORL game Mar. 1): 4-2 Record since Billups has come back: 1-7 Ok, let's be honest here, the come back by Billups has been so dreadfully unsuccessful. He turns the ball over like crazy. He's yet to put a decent 4th quarter together, and most of all he's taken some horrendous shots (including tonight) down the stretch of the game. People need to stop putting all the blame on Carmelo and realize that the team has been generally horrible with Billups running the show, especially in the 4th quarter. He takes honestly some of the worst shots I've ever seen. Talk about leadership; he's provided none down the stretch in these big games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 agreed 100%. they seem to do a lot better without him. this dude's just taking shots and messing up like it's no big deal. he certainly isn't the answer for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 We'll gladly take him off your hands this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 We'll gladly take him off your hands this offseason.hell no. have you seen him play lately? dude's just not with it at all. tonight he shot less than 50% with 2 turnovers and 3 personal fouls. besides, he turns 35 before next season. I'd much rather keep Chalmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 We'll gladly take him off your hands this offseason.I'm not saying he's no longer a good player. I'm not saying the Knicks should get rid of him. The point of the topic was, I have watched the Knicks closely over this eight game stretch, and it's more Billups than anyone IMO. Melo has had his moments, Stoudemire, the entire team. But Billups has just been dreadful in the 4th quarter of the games. He has not played like a seasoned veteran we have come to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Billups has always been pretty overrated, but I don't think it is really fair to put all the blame on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Billups has lost his explosiveness, so he keeps chucking outside shots. He gains confidence when his shots are falling. When they don't, he does little else, aside of some timely passes... but there are also turnovers. Guy seems obsessed with his "leader" and "Big Shot" tag... although most players have probably tuned him out... He's by no means a cancer, but he can be a liability at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Billups has always been pretty overrated, but I don't think it is really fair to put all the blame on him.There's other blame that goes around - but the 4th quarter struggles stem from Billups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Billups has always been pretty overratedExplain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) So Melo and Amare get a pass? Who's the finals MVP of the three? Edited March 24, 2011 by Cleveland's Finest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 So Melo and Amare get a pass? Who's the finals MVP of the three?So because he won a finals MVP, what, 6, 7 years ago, he can't have a 7 game stretch where he struggles? Hmmm...Sounds like an intelligent statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 My point is, he's not overrated. If it wasn't for him, the Knicks would not have won that game in Miami. If I were you, I'd blame Carmelo and Amare. Chauncey will be the leader, but the players will follow the stars, and I don't see maximum effort ALL game by the two stars. Who had the sole basket in the final stretch in the home loss to Boston? I know Melo's clutch, but I haven't seen neither him or Amare playing winning basketball in the last quarter in the past few game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeroadkill Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Explain...according to him 80% of the players in the league are overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 My point is, he's not overrated. If it wasn't for him, the Knicks would not have won that game in Miami. If I were you, I'd blame Carmelo and Amare. Chauncey will be the leader, but the players will follow the stars, and I don't see maximum effort ALL game by the two stars. Who had the sole basket in the final stretch in the home loss to Boston? I know Melo's clutch, but I haven't seen neither him or Amare playing winning basketball in the last quarter in the past few game.Well, I never said Billups was overrated. I'm just saying he's not playing like the veteran I thought the Knicks were getting. He's taken a ton of poor, low percentage shots for the Knicks since he's gotten back from the injury. He's turned the ball over a lot. In the Detroit game, in the final five minutes, Billups must have taken at least two bad shots. He did again tonight. He just comes down, doesn't even look to pass, and jacks up a shot. Most of the time the shots are really ugly and have no chance of going in. If we're going to sit here and criticize STAT & Melo, how about getting them the god damn ball cleanly for a look like they do for the entire 3 1/2 quarters. All of a sudden Billups starts forcing shit in the 4th quarter. No one wants to call him out, just Melo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 My point is, he's not overrated. If it wasn't for him, the Knicks would not have won that game in Miami. If I were you, I'd blame Carmelo and Amare. Chauncey will be the leader, but the players will follow the stars, and I don't see maximum effort ALL game by the two stars. Who had the sole basket in the final stretch in the home loss to Boston? I know Melo's clutch, but I haven't seen neither him or Amare playing winning basketball in the last quarter in the past few game. Who do you think isn't overrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 The only guy on the team I'm really feeling right now is Amar'e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Knicks have no depth, size, coach, or concept of defense. They're basically the Golden State Warriors of the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 The only guy on the team I'm really feeling right now is Amar'e.Surprised to see you stick by him after his 6-20 game. You've even jumped ship on Jared Jeffries, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Let's just give them time to mesh, Billups said the new system is going to be the toughest on him because he has to learn everyone tendencies, I don't think it's fair to make a rush judgment like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Surprised to see you stick by him after his 6-20 game. You've even jumped ship on Jared Jeffries, eh? lol to be honest I haven't watched a game in a while. Melo coming in and shitting the bed and then smiling about it... Doesn't sit well right now with me. Amar'e is at least pissed when we're losing, gives his max every night... Not sure I can say the same about Melo right now. Melo needs to make the sacrifice and just say [expletive] it, I'll do whatever will help us win... Hasn't happened yet. [expletive] everyone on the team, actually. Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N/A Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 lol to be honest I haven't watched a game in a while. Melo coming in and shitting the bed and then smiling about it... Doesn't sit well right now with me. Amar'e is at least pissed when we're losing, gives his max every night... Not sure I can say the same about Melo right now. Melo needs to make the sacrifice and just say [expletive] it, I'll do whatever will help us win... Hasn't happened yet. [expletive] everyone on the team, actually. Haha. Bill Walker 4 Prez http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/04/24/sports/photos_stories/cropped/045_bill_walker--300x300.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 People need to stop putting all the blame on Carmelo and realize that the team has been generally horrible with Billups running the show, especially in the 4th quarter. mediocre with Melo, mediocre without Melo, mediocre with Billups, mediocre without Billups, and mediocre because while Amar'e and Melo are talented, they aren't transcendent talents who can rise above the collective flaws of the roster---a defense that comes and goes, a relative lack of ball movement with Billups and Melo (who iso a lot compared to Felton, Chandler, and Gallo), poor decision making from Toney Douglas at the point, a total lack of size, and an utter lack of balanced depth. I wanted to clean your post up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) according to him 80% of the players in the league are overrated No, just players who earn a reputation as great players because they hit clutch shots. Billups is a career 42% shooter and while he takes relatively good care of the ball (around 2 career turnovers, although only around 6 apg), he has always had questionable decision making, especially with his shot selection (this guy takes pull up 3's in transition all the time, it'd be absolutely infuriating as a fan of his team). Do I think Billups is a bad basketball player? No, of course not. But he is not a great player either, and never has been, and I feel like his reputation as a big shot hitter has always kind of overshadowed his inefficient play. I also never really saw him as a great defender, he doesn't have quick feet, and while he was strong, that doesn't really matter against the elite point guards of the league. I guess it really depends how you rate Billups, but it felt like to me he was always overrated by a lot of people. Also quit having hurt feelings that I called Durant overrated. Once he stops turning it over as many times as he gets assists and stops taking step back jumpers against the good defenses, and gets you guys a playoff series win, I will stop calling him overrated. Edited March 24, 2011 by Check my Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 No, just players who earn a reputation as great players because they hit clutch shots. Billups is a career 42% shooter and while he takes relatively good care of the ball (around 2 career turnovers, although only around 6 apg), he has always had questionable decision making, especially with his shot selection (this guy takes pull up 3's in transition all the time, it'd be absolutely infuriating as a fan of his team). Do I think Billups is a bad basketball player? No, of course not. But he is not a great player either, and never has been, and I feel like his reputation as a big shot hitter has always kind of overshadowed his inefficient play. I also never really saw him as a great defender, he doesn't have quick feet, and while he was strong, that doesn't really matter against the elite point guards of the league. I guess it really depends how you rate Billups, but it felt like to me he was always overrated by a lot of people. Also quit having hurt feelings that I called Durant overrated. Once he stops turning it over as many times as he gets assists and stops taking step back jumpers against the good defenses, and gets you guys a playoff series win, I will stop calling him overrated. I endorse this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Swish* Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Billups isn't the problem. I think this is a coincidence. They have Amare Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups. It's just a matter of chemistry. As soon as these three mesh up well together, Knicks will be a scary team. For now, Knicks fans just have to stay patient. Knicks don't suck right now. Sure they gave up a lot of role players like Felton, Chandler and Gallinari but Melo and Billups will help them a lot. Can't wait to see how the Knicks will survive in the playoffs against the talented teams in the East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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