deestillballin Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 OKLAHOMA CITY — A jury Thursday convicted an Oklahoma City pharmacist of first-degree murder, saying he went too far when he pumped six bullets into a teenager who tried to rob the drug store where he worked, and suggested he spend the rest of his life in prison. Jerome Ersland, 59, had been hailed as a hero for protecting two co-workers during the May 19, 2009, robbery attempt. Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/05/27/1866775/pharmacist-convicted-in-slaying.html#ixzz1Ni4vFuvT I call bullshit, I mean come on, he should be guilty of SOMETHING but not first degree murder, I mean he was protecting his coworkers and his place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I remember this story, and had read a decent amount about it around the time of the incident. This is absolute bullshit. He will appeal and win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) It should also be noted that the jury could have convicted him of first degree manslaughter or abolish him of the charges. He did not testify either. Here's a link that sheds some light on the prosecutions case. http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-pharmacists-supporters-seek-pardon-attorneys-begin-appeal/article/3572201 Also, here is the video of the shooting. You never know what is going to happen, even if the kid is laying on the ground. He could have gotten up at any second. Edited May 29, 2011 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Also, that kids family is retarted. "My brother didn't have no intentions of robbing his store". Are you kidding me? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Stories like this piss me off. -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?QuestionMark? Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 It's one thing to defend yourself, it's another to reload and shoot a guy six times after he's already down. If he had just shot the guy 6 times in a row, he'd probably wouldn't have even been charged. But he shot, chased the other guy, walked back into the store, walked passed the guy on the ground, reloaded, and shoots the guy on the ground again 5 times. Tough to argue self defense in that case. That said, no sympathy for that dumbass who got killed. Good. Wish he would have killed the other one. Here's my thing: was the guy he shot dead after the first shot? If he was, how is it manslaughter? You can't commit manslaughter on a body that's already dead. Personally, if I was a juror, I'd just clear him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 What he did was murder, the kid might have survived 1 shot, obviously he wont survive 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I mean one shot may have been acceptable (not really) but to shoot the kid another 5 times is insane. I do think the pharmicist does deserve some form of punishment considering that the moment he went to reload his pistol to shoot him another few times was when it wasn't considered self-defense anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I don't think he deserves any punishment at all. If anything, give the man an award. If you're a 16 year old punk trying to rob a pharmacy at gun point (well, the friend) you deserve to be dead. It's obvious you won't be positively contributing to society anyway so why not just gtfo. I know some of you won't agree with this, but I think anyone that tries to pull that shit gets what they have coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deestillballin Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I don't think he deserves any punishment at all. If anything, give the man an award. If you're a 16 year old punk trying to rob a pharmacy at gun point (well, the friend) you deserve to be dead. It's obvious you won't be positively contributing to society anyway so why not just gtfo. I know some of you won't agree with this, but I think anyone that tries to pull that shit gets what they have coming. Im not part of the some, trust me, if you come at me with a gun, you better kill me, because one if is us dying. He is guilty of being caught and thats about it.. Punk kid got what he deserved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Absolutely wrong, absolutely. Death is hardly ever deserved by anyone. The kid was sixteen years old, SIXTEEN YEARS OLD, and he was unarmed. He made a huge error in judgment and paid for it with his life...it's messed up. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder in the first degree, but that was a murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Absolutely wrong, absolutely. Death is hardly ever deserved by anyone. The kid was sixteen years old, SIXTEEN YEARS OLD, and he was unarmed. He made a huge error in judgment and paid for it with his life...it's messed up. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder in the first degree, but that was a murder. And, his age has what to do with anything? The owner didn't stand there and say, "Oh, you have a mask on, I think you look like you're 16 years old". He had absolutely no clue how old they were. You have no clue what you would do in that situation. The kid was shot once in the head, and according to the reports, was still alive. People say the owner should have moved the gun away from the kid, and just called 911? How do you know the kid doesn't have another gun? How do you know the threat has been removed? This guy did the right thing, and pumped those extra slugs into that little thug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 People say the owner should have moved the gun away from the kid, and just called 911?Yes, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 This guy did the right thing, and pumped those extra slugs into that little thug.If you actually believe that you have some serious issues bro. That was in humane to stand over a kid and shoot him 5 times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 If you actually believe that you have some serious issues bro. That was in humane to stand over a kid and shoot him 5 times...Not really... 2 minutes before that the kid was putting his life and his coworkers life in danger. It's probably best that it ended this way before the kid really did end up hurting someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 The kid was shot once in the head, and according to the reports, was still alive. He was shot in the head, the threat was removed. No need to keep firing at him while he's down. Anyway, I don't think the pharmacist should be convicted of first degree murder, but should be charged with something that requires a little jail time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) He was shot in the head, the threat was removed. No need to keep firing at him while he's down. Anyway, I don't think the pharmacist should be convicted of first degree murder, but should be charged with something that requires a little jail time. How do you know the threat was removed? How do you know he didn't have another gun on him? How do you the kid couldn't get up and attack him? How do you know all of this? It's easy for a lot of you fools to play Monday morning quarterback though. Edited May 30, 2011 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 How do you know the threat was removed? Because a bullet was in his head and he was laying on the ground. If he feared the robber had another gun on him he could have searched him while he was laying on the ground bleeding from the hole in his skull. And it's funny you mention the Monday morning quarterback thing when you weren't sitting in the trial 'nor have you read the depositions. Therefor, you are ill informed, and YOU, not me, came in here with such strong opinions on a case you are largely ignorant to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 the kid might have survived 1 shot, obviously he wont survive 6.http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm69/mightymosdefinition/50laugh.gif 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Because a bullet was in his head and he was laying on the ground. If he feared the robber had another gun on him he could have searched him while he was laying on the ground bleeding from the hole in his skull. And it's funny you mention the Monday morning quarterback thing when you weren't sitting in the trial 'nor have you read the depositions. Therefor, you are ill informed, and YOU, not me, came in here with such strong opinions on a case you are largely ignorant to. Yes, because people who have been shot in the head have never gotten up before. . So, the pharmacist goes over to search him, and punk gets up and attacks him? What are you going to say then? Are you going to continue to play Monday morning quarterback, again? Now, this case is not the same as the one I'm giving a link to, but the point remains the same. You never know what is going to happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Yes, because people who have been shot in the head have never gotten up before. . So, the pharmacist goes over to search him, and punk gets up and attacks him? What are you going to say then? Are you going to continue to play Monday morning quarterback, again? Now, this case is not the same as the one I'm giving a link to, but the point remains the same. You never know what is going to happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings After the pharmacist shot the robber, he chased the other guy out of the store, walked past the wounded robber, reloaded his gun, then shot the dude to death...that goes way beyond simply defending yourself. The proper move would have been to run out of the store and call the cops while the man was incapacitated on the floor with a bullet in his brain. There was no threat after the first shot, and the pharmacist himself proved that as he walked by him and took time to reload the gun before firing off. And no, that case isn't the same AT ALL. Those herders didn't have bullets in their [expletive]ing skulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Why search him? Just stand there with the gun pointed on the kid on the ground as you dial the phone. I highly doubt the kid is a crazy adamantium skeletoned superhero who will rise to battle after being shot in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Why search him? Just stand there with the gun pointed on the kid on the ground as you dial the phone. I highly doubt the kid is a crazy adamantium skeletoned superhero who will rise to battle after being shot in the face.Lmao...Yeah seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Why search him? Just stand there with the gun pointed on the kid on the ground as you dial the phone. I highly doubt the kid is a crazy adamantium skeletoned superhero who will rise to battle after being shot in the face. It's easy to say when you're not in that situation. There's this little thing called........ adrenalin. It changes the way you act. You don't always think clearly in situations like that. The funniest part about this, is that punk kids family is suing for damages. . Give me a [expletive]ing break. Your punk kid got everything he deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 After the pharmacist shot the robber, he chased the other guy out of the store, walked past the wounded robber, reloaded his gun, then shot the dude to death...that goes way beyond simply defending yourself. The proper move would have been to run out of the store and call the cops while the man was incapacitated on the floor with a bullet in his brain. There was no threat after the first shot, and the pharmacist himself proved that as he walked by him and took time to reload the gun before firing off. And no, that case isn't the same AT ALL. Those herders didn't have bullets in their [expletive]ing skulls. In that case, they had a chance to remove the threat, but they did not, and multiple Navy Seals were killed in the process. In the pharmacist's case, he removed the threat, and lived to tell the tale. Even if the kid has a bullet in his head, like he deserved, that doesn't mean the threat is removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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