EastCoastNiner Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/05/florida-government-defends-requiring-drug-tests-for-welfare-recipients/ It's about time. It's also pathetic to see people on welfare are still able to buy lottery tickets and claim millions of dollars. Every state should require drug testing for welfare. However, Scott does have a very shady history. Edited June 12, 2011 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reno Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 good, I think they should have to, time for cali to follow imo. Why should we give money to people who will use it for inappropriate uses, makes no sense too me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I actually think this is a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Hopefully every state follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I like the idea, but I understand people's concern with Scott's conflict of interest by recently buying a large share of stock in the company that will be doing the drug testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I like the idea, but I understand people's concern with Scott's conflict of interest by recently buying a large share of stock in the company that will be doing the drug testing. Well that's a great business move for him. He still has to run a business since he declined his salary as Governor. Its also a tremendous idea by him to launch this program. I'm sure plenty of states will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Thats good. But I hope they offer services to help people who have drugs problems get off, so they are able to receive welfar later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Well that's a great business move for him. He still has to run a business since he declined his salary as Governor. Its also a tremendous idea by him to launch this program. I'm sure plenty of states will follow.It's a great business move, but he shouldn't be doing stuff like that while employed as governor as the state of Florida. It is definitely shady. I agree with everyone that drug testing for welfare is a GREAT idea, because it should get help reduce the amount of people who reduce it. Testing should be conducted by an organization that Scott has no affiliation with. Scott's past and even some of his decisions as governor are already shady, this just makes me more weary of this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Good idea, although I'm skeptical on how well it will work. Most drug addicts that spend a ton of money on drugs aren't blunt-heads, and drugs like coke and dope (heroin, oxy, etc...) are only in your system for 2-3 days tops. So, it won't be exactly difficult to beat those tests. Also, the testing does require a decent budget from the state, so there is a good chance they will be wasting a ton of money on testing people who aren't addicts while the addicts still find ways to slip through the cracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Sounds like a good idea...but there's a few potential problems: - How accurate are the tests? Let's hope this doesn't become a race thing. Many things in our country's history have. -So if you fail for drugs, what are you supposed to do? Just basically be told that you can't get any aid and let those people die? I mean, they need help probably the most... I think those are two major flaws in the idea. Otherwise, from the outside, it sounds like a good way to make the welfare system more reliable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Sounds like a good idea...but there's a few potential problems: - How accurate are the tests? Let's hope this doesn't become a race thing. Many things in our country's history have. -So if you fail for drugs, what are you supposed to do? Just basically be told that you can't get any aid and let those people die? I mean, they need help probably the most... I think those are two major flaws in the idea. Otherwise, from the outside, it sounds like a good way to make the welfare system more reliable... 1. I doubt race will be an issue. 2. Do people spending their money on drugs rather than the essential things in life deserve more money from the govt./tax players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 2. Do people spending their money on drugs rather than the essential things in life deserve more money from the govt./tax players? I think they deserve a chance to get help if they do [expletive] up on the drug test, and if they complete the treatment and pass the drug test they should have their benefits re-instated. If they get their welfair discontinued and don't receive the option of treatment, then it can potentially cause an abundance of other problems...increase in the homeless and other illegal activity to support themselves, for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 2. Do people spending their money on drugs rather than the essential things in life deserve more money from the govt./tax players?I'm not looking at it that way though. Those people need help to rehabilitate. You think they want to spend their gov't asst money solely on drugs? Lol. Come on man, most of these people would love to be clean and better their life. My point is the people on drugs arguably need the money the most - yeah, I know the common rhetoric you'll throw back at me is "why, so they can spend it more on drugs?" yes they probably will they are addicts but also because they generally have several kids who they need to support. the kids shouldn't suffer because their parents are crack addicts. these people need HELP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 You wanna know a fun fact? This past year alone, the US spent more on welfare than Bush did on the entire Iraq war. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 You wanna know a fun fact? This past year alone, the US spent more on welfare than Bush did on the entire Iraq war. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54400 Good, I'd rather it being going to our own people than to a senseless war that is killing our people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Good, I'd rather it being going to our own people than to a senseless war that is killing our people. Senseless, like going to Libya? Oh, that's right, there's a giant lawsuit being filed against Obama and his administration for their abuse of powers, being filed by the most liberal of liberals in Dennis Kucinich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Senseless, like going to Libya? Oh, that's right, there's a giant lawsuit being filed against Obama and his administration for their abuse of powers, being filed by the most liberal of liberals in Dennis Kucinich. What does this have to do with anything? I am not interested in a liberal vs. conservative debate, I think both sides are [expletive]ing retarded and the reason we are in this huge hole. I wasn't the one who brought the Bush thing up, Flash did. I take issues case-by-case, and in that case I'd much rather see money going towards AMERICANS who need it rather than a failure of a war, even if some Americans choose to abuse the system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 What does this have to do with anything? I am not interested in a liberal vs. conservative debate, I think both sides are [expletive]ing retarded and the reason we are in this huge hole. I wasn't the one who brought the Bush thing up, Flash did. I take issues case-by-case, and in that case I'd much rather see money going towards AMERICANS who need it rather than a failure of a war, even if some Americans choose to abuse the system. Alright, we'll get this back on topic, but I mentioned it because you mentioned a "pointless war", and I was question the point of being in Lybia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 The point I was trying to make is that that figure is absurdly high and tells me we need to do something real quick about the way we distribute our welfare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) The point I was trying to make is that that figure is absurdly high and tells me we need to do something real quick about the way we distribute our welfare. It's a high price to pay, but with the way the economy is, it's needed. If you start taking away from the welfair system to save money, then you open yourself up to the domino effect of other issues it will cause (poverty, homelessness, spike in illegal activity, etc...). There needs to be a balance. I think taking measures to cut out some of the deadweight in the system that abuse their benefits is a good idea in theory, but things like drug testing does indeed cost a pretty penny in itself, and you will be wasting a huge chunk of that money on all of the people who DON'T use drugs and collect welfair. And as I said before, many of those addicts will still be able to beat the system. So, is paying for all these drug tests worth it considering the majority of the people they are testing aren't using drugs, and quite a few of those drug addicts will still be able to beat the system? Edited June 15, 2011 by Nitro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerGuy Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 You wanna know a fun fact? This past year alone, the US spent more on welfare than Bush did on the entire Iraq war. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54400We've also been in one of the worst recessions in U.S. history, so it's to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted June 18, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Idea: why not just drug test those that are in the system for something in the past? If you were pulled over for a DUI, and you're applying for welfare, take your drug test. If something goes down while you're receiving government aid, then you're slotted for a drug test. While not everyone has a past before they start receiving aid, I'm sure a lot of them do (in regards to those that are abusing the system). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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