Owner Real Deal Posted July 4, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 List all of the players you'd consider dealing Ellis for, from each team below (copy and paste). Ex. if you would do it for LeBron (even though Miami wouldn't), list him anyway, even if salaries don't match (hey, you're a GM...you could always put one together, right?)... Atlanta Hawks: Boston Celtics: Charlotte Bobcats: Chicago Bulls: Cleveland Cavaliers: Dallas Mavericks: Denver Nuggets: Detroit Pistons: Houston Rockets: Indiana Pacers: Los Angeles Clippers: Los Angeles Lakers: Memphis Grizzlies: Miami Heat: Milwaukee Bucks: Minnesota Timberwolves: New Jersey Nets: New Orleans Hornets: New York Knicks: Oklahoma City Thunder: Orlando Magic: Philadelphia 76ers: Phoenix Suns: Portland Trail Blazers: Sacramento Kings: San Antonio Spurs: Toronto Raptors: Utah Jazz: Washington Wizards: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 This is too easy. Obviously people are gonna put each team's best player. And can it be for more than 1 player? The salary must match. And the other side has to ok. Start the mock already! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 4, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 This is too easy. Obviously people are gonna put each team's best player. And can it be for more than 1 player? The salary must match. And the other side has to ok. Start the mock already! :-)Yes, multiple players for each team. And no, salaries don't have to match. It's basically asking what players you'd trade Ellis for. If I'm Golden State, one I'd consider is Pau Gasol...but, of course, I'd have to add another contract. That's not the question...but Gasol would be on the list of players I'd trade Ellis for, regardless. It is in fact easy. You're making it difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 ^Then this thread title should be: "name best player on each team" and should be in General Discussion, or am I missing something? If answer's too easy, noone will post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 4, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 ... "I will include Monta Ellis in a deal for any of the following players: (list your players) Not too difficult to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Didn't go for best player but what would have made the most sense if the teams were actually having discussions. Atlanta Hawks: Josh Smith / Al HorfordBoston Celtics: Kevin Garnett's expiringCharlotte Bobcats: Bismack BiyomboChicago Bulls: Joakim NoahCleveland Cavaliers: 2012 first round pick Dallas Mavericks: Tyson ChandlerDenver Nuggets: Nene / GallinariDetroit Pistons: Greg MonroeHouston Rockets: Patrick Patterson / Kevin Martin Indiana Pacers: Danny GrangerLos Angeles Clippers: Eric GordonLos Angeles Lakers: Andrew Bynum / Pau GasolMemphis Grizzlies: Zach RandolphMiami Heat: Chris BoshMilwaukee Bucks: Andrew BogutMinnesota Timberwolves: Derrick WilliamsNew Jersey Nets: Brook LopezNew Orleans Hornets: Chris PaulNew York Knicks: Amar'e StoudemireOklahoma City Thunder: Serge Ibaka / James HardenOrlando Magic: Dwight HowardPhiladelphia 76ers: Andre Iguodala / Evan TurnerPhoenix Suns: Steve Nash??Portland Trail Blazers: LaMarcus AldridgeSacramento Kings: DeMarcus CousinsSan Antonio Spurs: Tim DuncanToronto Raptors: Jonas ValanciunasUtah Jazz: Enis Kanter / Derrick FavorsWashington Wizards: John Wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) ... "I will include Monta Ellis in a deal for any of the following players: (list your players) Not too difficult to understand. Just trying to understand this... Basically, you want us to be a Warriors GM with our asset in the market being Monta right? You're asking us to trade Monta while acting in the best interest of the Warriors (you have to if you're the team GM). Obviously, as the Warriors GM, we'd ask for the other team's best player... so it's no different than "Name best player on each team". If I was the Warriors GM, I'd want to trade Reggie Jackson for LeBron James (we'd prefer not to use Monta to get LeBron)... but you said "even though Miami wouldn't" but hey "list him anyway, even if salaries don't match (hey, you're a GM...you could always put one together, right?" You don't have to have Monta, even if you put one of their D-League players as our trading chip, we as "Warriors GMs" here would seek the maximum value in return: we want LeBron (if the trading partner is Miami). If Magic, Dwight Howard. If Hornets, CP3. If Lakers, Kobe Bryant. If Wolves, Kevin Love. So really, it's no different than "Name best player on each team". Look at Dash's answer above, it's pretty much naming the best player on each team. Why go through all the hassle of "you're the Warriors GM, and you're trading Monta Ellis" when it's "Name best player on each team". Is it me or is it you? lol Edited July 5, 2011 by Multi-Billionaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Didn't go for best player but what would have made the most sense if the teams were actually having discussions. Atlanta Hawks: Josh Smith / Al HorfordBoston Celtics: Kevin Garnett's expiringCharlotte Bobcats: Bismack BiyomboChicago Bulls: Joakim NoahCleveland Cavaliers: 2012 first round pick Dallas Mavericks: Tyson ChandlerDenver Nuggets: Nene / GallinariDetroit Pistons: Greg MonroeHouston Rockets: Patrick Patterson / Kevin Martin Indiana Pacers: Danny GrangerLos Angeles Clippers: Eric GordonLos Angeles Lakers: Andrew Bynum / Pau GasolMemphis Grizzlies: Zach RandolphMiami Heat: Chris BoshMilwaukee Bucks: Andrew BogutMinnesota Timberwolves: Derrick WilliamsNew Jersey Nets: Brook LopezNew Orleans Hornets: Chris PaulNew York Knicks: Amar'e StoudemireOklahoma City Thunder: Serge Ibaka / James HardenOrlando Magic: Dwight HowardPhiladelphia 76ers: Andre Iguodala / Evan TurnerPhoenix Suns: Steve Nash??Portland Trail Blazers: LaMarcus AldridgeSacramento Kings: DeMarcus CousinsSan Antonio Spurs: Tim DuncanToronto Raptors: Jonas ValanciunasUtah Jazz: Enis Kanter / Derrick FavorsWashington Wizards: John Wall? Dash, you're acting as Warriors' GM. You want the best value in return. Why would you take Bosh over LeBron?? Eric Gordon over Blake?? Noah over Rose? Lopez over Williams? Aging Tim Duncan over still All Star Manu? Remember, no salary rules. The other team doesn't have to like it either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 5, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Just trying to understand this... Basically, you want us to be a Warriors GM with our asset in the market being Monta right? You're asking us to trade Monta while acting in the best interest of the Warriors (you have to if you're the team GM). Obviously, as the Warriors GM, we'd ask for the other team's best player... so it's no different than "Name best player on each team". If I was the Warriors GM, I'd want to trade Reggie Jackson for LeBron James (we'd prefer not to use Monta to get LeBron)... but you said "even though Miami wouldn't" but hey "list him anyway, even if salaries don't match (hey, you're a GM...you could always put one together, right?" You don't have to have Monta, even if you put one of their D-League players as our trading chip, we as "Warriors GMs" here would seek the maximum value in return: we want LeBron (if the trading partner is Miami). If Magic, Dwight Howard. If Hornets, CP3. If Lakers, Kobe Bryant. If Wolves, Kevin Love. So really, it's no different than "Name best player on each team". Look at Dash's answer above, it's pretty much naming the best player on each team. Why go through all the hassle of "you're the Warriors GM, and you're trading Monta Ellis" when it's "Name best player on each team". Is it me or is it you? lolWhat the [expletive] don't you understand? Here, I'm Golden State's GM. I'm talking to the Lakers. I would trade Ellis for... Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom You say, "Huh? Nah, I wouldn't go that far...maybe just for Kobe and Drew." So, hey, it looks like we aren't just naming the best player from each team...we're naming the players we would consider trading Ellis for, simple as that. And, as far as salaries go, if you want a player, you make the salaries match by including fillers. The salaries are irrelevant when I'm asking the question. WHAT PLAYERS, FROM EACH TEAM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER TRADING MONTA ELLIS FOR? Trading him for a package that featured Drew doesn't mean that Drew is the best player on the Lakers. I'm done explaining. If you don't get it by now, move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Dash, you're acting as Warriors' GM. You want the best value in return. Why would you take Bosh over LeBron?? Eric Gordon over Blake?? Noah over Rose? Lopez over Williams? Aging Tim Duncan over still All Star Manu? Remember, no salary rules. The other team doesn't have to like it either... If I'm the general manager I know there is no chance the Nets let go of Deron Williams, but maybe I could lure away Brook Lopez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 5, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 If I'm the general manager I know there is no chance the Nets let go of Deron Williams, but maybe I could lure away Brook Lopez.Well, maybe. If Deron shows signs that he's not going to stick around (and some Nets fans are already putting that out there, for some reason...it's not too far away), there's always a chance, no matter the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 What the [expletive] don't you understand? Here, I'm Golden State's GM. I'm talking to the Lakers. I would trade Ellis for... Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom You say, "Huh? Nah, I wouldn't go that far...maybe just for Kobe and Drew." So, hey, it looks like we aren't just naming the best player from each team...we're naming the players we would consider trading Ellis for, simple as that. And, as far as salaries go, if you want a player, you make the salaries match by including fillers. The salaries are irrelevant when I'm asking the question. WHAT PLAYERS, FROM EACH TEAM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER TRADING MONTA ELLIS FOR? Trading him for a package that featured Drew doesn't mean that Drew is the best player on the Lakers. I'm done explaining. If you don't get it by now, move on. Still don't understand. 1.) You want us to be Warriors' GM as per title2.) Then you want us to view from each of the other 29 teams' perspective "WHAT PLAYERS, FROM EACH TEAM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER TRADING MONTA ELLIS FOR?" So you want us to be the Warriors GM as well as the opposing team's GM. I'm confused now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 If I'm the general manager I know there is no chance the Nets let go of Deron Williams, but maybe I could lure away Brook Lopez. Yeah and you think the Magic would let go of Dwight. Remember, what Real Deal said... there's no rule. Ex. if you would do it for LeBron (even though Miami wouldn't), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 If the Warriors continue their current style of play and eliminating what I think are untouchables... Atlanta Hawks: Josh SmithBoston Celtics: A package including Jeff Green and JaJuan JohnsonCharlotte Bobcats: A package including Bismack Biyombo and Dante Cunningham Chicago Bulls: Joakim NoahCleveland Cavaliers: Draft pick/s + Ramon Sessions/Anderson Varejao +/or EyengaDallas Mavericks: Tyson Chandler + J.J Barea + DeShawn StevensonDenver Nuggets: Wilson Chandler + Kenneth Faried Detroit Pistons: Rodney Stuckey + Austin DayeHouston Rockets: A package including Patrick Patterson and Chase BudingerIndiana Pacers: A package including Dahntay Jones + Roy Hibbert Los Angeles Clippers: A package including DeAndre Jordan and Jamario MoonLos Angeles Lakers: Lamar OdomMemphis Grizzlies: O.J Mayo + Sam Young + Darrell ArthurMiami Heat: No one (Big 3 considered untouchable)Milwaukee Bucks: A package including Ilyasova and DoolingMinnesota Timberwolves: Michael Beasley New Jersey Nets: Kris Humphries + othersNew Orleans Hornets: Trevor Ariza + othersNew York Knicks: No one (Anthony and STAT untouchable)Oklahoma City Thunder: Russell WestbrookOrlando Magic: A package including Brandon Bass and Quentin RichardsonPhiladelphia 76ers: Andre IguodalaPhoenix Suns: A package including Jared Dudley and Channing FryePortland Trail Blazers: A package including Nicolas BatumSacramento Kings: Jimmer + othersSan Antonio Spurs: Matt Bonner + Richard Jefferson + othersToronto Raptors: Andrea Bargnani Utah Jazz: C.J Miles + Paul MillsapWashington Wizards: JaVale McGee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'm confused now.Now? Sure seems like you've been confused from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 5, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Still don't understand. 1.) You want us to be Warriors' GM as per title2.) Then you want us to view from each of the other 29 teams' perspective "WHAT PLAYERS, FROM EACH TEAM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER TRADING MONTA ELLIS FOR?" So you want us to be the Warriors GM as well as the opposing team's GM. I'm confused now.Are you high? Where did I say you should act as any other team's GM? The question I presented (that I had to post in caps for you), that has been consistent throughout every mindless post you've put in this topic, is based on you acting as the Warriors' GM, just as the title clearly points out. Again, stop replying to the topic if you're on another planet. Go talk about the Nuggets, or how all of us should be rich, or something. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 5, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'll go ahead and answer the topic. If I'm Larry Riley, I'm putting Monta Ellis on the block for the following players: Atlanta Hawks: Al Horford, Josh SmithI'd add Johnson, but I'd rather have a big man, or a young player that can play defense. Boston Celtics: Rajon RondoI doubt Boston even considers it, but I'm going to try and put together a package, nonetheless. I'd have to leave Curry out, though, which is why the deal would fall through. Charlotte Bobcats: nobody Chicago Bulls: Derrick Rose, Joakim NoahI doubt they'd want to deal Rose (no reason to), but I'd go after Noah just to have a defensive anchor. Luol Deng...not really sure. I like how Josh Smith can defend three positions, and I think he runs the floor better, which is great for Curry. Deng is an excellent defender, but I could probably get more for Ellis. Cleveland Cavaliers: nobodyI like Kyrie, but my focus is to build around Curry. I realize that Curry can play the two, but he's an undersized combo guard, so I need to keep him at the point. Dallas Mavericks: nobodyYeah, Dirk is amazing, but he's also 33 years old, and without a defensive anchor, I'm not quite sure that somehow stealing Dirk would be good for us, because at the end of the day, I don't think we'd have the goods to win it all, and if I'm Riley, I'm more focused on the future. Denver Nuggets: nobody, unless it's a great packageCan't say I'd trade him to Denver for any single player, but a package of players would be nice. Detroit Pistons: nobodyBrandon Knight and Rodney Stuckey are the only two that have any value, but that's assuming we don't have a PG. Monroe doesn't help us...we have David Lee scoring buckets and not playing defense, no reason to go that route twice. Houston Rockets: nobodyKevin Martin, Monta Ellis...I could argue that Monta is a better player. No point in doing that deal. Indiana Pacers: Danny GrangerGranger needs a new team, and he plays defense. I wouldn't consider him a good first-option, but unlike Collison, Curry can get him the ball much easier, taking the load off of him a bit more. LA Clippers: Blake Griffin, Eric GordonPeople will try and compare Griffin to Lee, but I believe Griffin will have a far better career, and he'll learn how to defend much better as he continues to develop and adjust. Gordon for Ellis is a no-brainer, for me. LA Lakers: Andrew BynumCan't say Kobe and Gasol because of their age. Even though Drew has suffered through injuries, I'd risk it and take him as a legitimate defensive anchor...and he's also a true low post center. Memphis Grizzlies: nobodyGay's contract is too large, and even though I'm a fan of Marc Gasol, I'm not sure if he's that big of a defensive talent to anchor a Warriors team that doesn't defend anywhere else on the floor. Miami Heat: LeBron James, Dwyane WadeWon't happen, but I don't need to go into too much detail here: they are superstars in their prime, and guys you build around. Milwaukee Bucks: Andrew BogutHe's twice the defender Gasol is, just has trouble scoring the ball...but I can't pass him up. Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love, Derrick WilliamsMost won't agree here, and I know Love doesn't play defense, but I'm taking him for the simple fact that he's too good of a rebounder, and he spreads the floor and has excellent passing skills. I also take the chance on Williams, and I would've done it for Irving if he wasn't a PG. New Jersey Nets: Deron WilliamsYes, he's a PG, but he's also a borderline superstar PG (and that's considering the fact that I don't throw the word "superstar" around easily). If I could snag him, I'm heading in an entirely different direction, possibly looking for teams that like Curry. New Orleans Hornets: Chris PaulSee above. New York Knicks: Carmelo Anthony, Amare StoudemireYou'll find the Melo explanation in the Heat section. Amare gets the nod because I feel he would do very well with Curry. We'd still have defensive issues, but it's whatever...we'll just run and gun like the Suns used to. Oklahoma City Thunder: Kevin DurantDurant falls into the same boat as Wade and Melo. I didn't put Westbrook here not only because he's a PG, but also because I saw a different side of him last season, and his selfish attitude has to change before I consider trying to make him a huge piece of a rebuilding franchise. Orlando Magic: Dwight HowardRumor has it that Golden State already made an offer for Dwight. Good job...no reason why they shouldn't. Philadelphia Sixers: Andre IguodalaHe'd fit in better with Curry than Deng would. Considering Iggy (like I did Josh Smith) almost makes me want to go back and add Luol to the Bulls list...tough call for me. Phoenix Suns: nobody Portland Trail Blazers: LaMarcus AldridgeHe's not a superstar, but he's young, big, and too good not to consider. Sacramento Kings: nobodyTyreke Evans is a good player, but I'd rather keep Monta. San Antonio Spurs: nobody Toronto Raptors: nobody Utah Jazz: Al JeffersonConsider him in the same boat as LaMarcus Aldridge. Washington Wizards: John WallHe's a PG, but again, there's far too much potential there. If this was the summer of 2010, I would probably have the same stance with Wall as I do with Irving right now, but Wall will be an all-star, and if he follows the same path as D-Rose, a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Giving Monta alot of respect I see, Brandon lol. I would take Ellis over Kevin Martin anyday, same with Tyreke Evans. Don't know if I would do the Bogut deal though. For some reason, I don't find him that good of a player that many people make him out to be. Maybe I haven't watched enough of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Now? Sure seems like you've been confused from the start. This part confuses me: Ex. if you would do it for LeBron (even though Miami wouldn't), list him anyway, even if salaries don't match (hey, you're a GM...you could always put one together, right?)... Given that rule, why would you not take each team's best player? Then Dash took Gordon over Blake from Clippers, Lopez over Williams from Nets confused me even more. Okay my list: Atlanta Hawks: Al HorfordBoston Celtics: Rajon RondoCharlotte Bobcats: noneChicago Bulls: Derrick RoseCleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving Dallas Mavericks: Dirk NowitzkiDenver Nuggets: Danilo Gallinari or Ty Lawson Detroit Pistons: Brandon Knight and Greg MonroeHouston Rockets: noneIndiana Pacers: Danny GrangerLos Angeles Clippers: Blake GriffinLos Angeles Lakers: Kobe Bryant Memphis Grizzlies: Zach RandoplhMiami Heat: LeBron JamesMilwaukee Bucks: Andrew BogutMinnesota Timberwolves: Kevin LoveNew Jersey Nets: Deron WilliamsNew Orleans Hornets: Chris PaulNew York Knicks: Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo AnthonyOklahoma City Thunder: Kevin DurantOrlando Magic: Dwight HowardPhiladelphia 76ers: Jrue Holiday and Marresse SpeightsPhoenix Suns: none Portland Trail Blazers: LaMarcus AldridgeSacramento Kings: Tyreke EvansSan Antonio Spurs: Manu GinobiliToronto Raptors: Andrea Bargnani and Demar DeRozanUtah Jazz: Derrick Favors and Enes KanterWashington Wizards: John Wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 6, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Giving Monta alot of respect I see, Brandon lol. I would take Ellis over Kevin Martin anyday, same with Tyreke Evans. Don't know if I would do the Bogut deal though. For some reason, I don't find him that good of a player that many people make him out to be. Maybe I haven't watched enough of him.Well, Kevin Martin really doesn't offer much more (if any more) at that position, in my opinion. I actually think Ellis defends better. Evans...it's really hard to say. I'm not sure how well he'd work with Curry, and most of what I put is assuming that I'd keep Curry (because, if I were the GM, I'd want to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted July 6, 2011 Author Owner Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 This part confuses me: Given that rule, why would you not take each team's best player? Then Dash took Gordon over Blake from Clippers, Lopez over Williams from Nets confused me even more. Okay my list: Atlanta Hawks: Al HorfordBoston Celtics: Rajon RondoCharlotte Bobcats: noneChicago Bulls: Derrick RoseCleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving Dallas Mavericks: Dirk NowitzkiDenver Nuggets: Danilo Gallinari or Ty Lawson Detroit Pistons: Brandon Knight and Greg MonroeHouston Rockets: noneIndiana Pacers: Danny GrangerLos Angeles Clippers: Blake GriffinLos Angeles Lakers: Kobe Bryant Memphis Grizzlies: Zach RandoplhMiami Heat: LeBron JamesMilwaukee Bucks: Andrew BogutMinnesota Timberwolves: Kevin LoveNew Jersey Nets: Deron WilliamsNew Orleans Hornets: Chris PaulNew York Knicks: Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo AnthonyOklahoma City Thunder: Kevin DurantOrlando Magic: Dwight HowardPhiladelphia 76ers: Jrue Holiday and Marresse SpeightsPhoenix Suns: none Portland Trail Blazers: LaMarcus AldridgeSacramento Kings: Tyreke EvansSan Antonio Spurs: Manu GinobiliToronto Raptors: Andrea Bargnani and Demar DeRozanUtah Jazz: Derrick Favors and Enes KanterWashington Wizards: John WallSee, you put out a list that didn't include every team's best player. Jefferson is Utah's best. You didn't list anyone for Phoenix. You listed two players for some teams. It's not always going to be getting the best player off a team. Nash is the best in a Suns jersey, but why would you want to trade a young Ellis for anyone on the Phoenix Suns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Before I saw your post, I'd thought the rule was you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO make a trade with each team. I didn't know "noone" was an option. My pairs of players always consist of best player. And, I honestly forgot Al Jefferson. Edited July 7, 2011 by Multi-Billionaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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