EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 This is one of the best modern sports debates, so who do you think is better? I'm looking forward to Mason telling me that Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne together aren't nearly as good as Randy Moss on his own, and I'm looking forward to making him look like a fool. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Tom Brady. Peyton Manning has had elite recievers his entire career(two of them). Brady had crappy recievers and still won Superbowls and winning MVP Honors. Then when Brady was given Peyton Manning-esque recievers he broke the single season record for Most TD in a year. That's just one year with those guys. Wes Welker wasn't a pro-bowler before New England either. Moss was always a beast, but Brady rejuvenated his career. Brady is the best player of this generation. I would trust Brady to lead my team on a single drive as well with my season on the line over Peyton Manning who was notorious for choking up until a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 lol @ penalizing because offensive ammunition. It's much easier to win when your team is exceptionally balanced and your team is proficient in every area. Peyton Manning is the better player. Always has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'm biased as for whatever reason I've just never really liked Peyton. I like Eli, just not Peyton. So my vote goes for Mr. Tom Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Tom Brady. Peyton Manning has had elite recievers his entire career(two of them). Brady had crappy recievers and still won Superbowls and winning MVP Honors. Then when Brady was given Peyton Manning-esque recievers he broke the single season record for Most TD in a year. That's just one year with those guys. Wes Welker wasn't a pro-bowler before New England either. Moss was always a beast, but Brady rejuvenated his career. Brady is the best player of this generation.Ben Roethlisberger has had pretty average receivers too, and he has more rings than Peyton Manning. Football is not that cut and dry. I would trust Brady to lead my team on a single drive as well with my season on the line over Peyton Manning who was notorious for choking up until a few years ago.The choker tag is derived from his first playoff games. It's exaggerated, and its a stigma that he's (should've) already worked off. Choke artists don't lead the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Peyton Manning because he was not a part of Sypgate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Ben Roethlisberger has had pretty average receivers too, and he has more rings than Peyton Manning. Football is not that cut and dry. The choker tag is derived from his first playoff games. It's exaggerated, and its a stigma that he's (should've) already worked off. Choke artists don't lead the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks. I'm sorry that Peyton Manning had to put his team in a position to come back in the 4th Quarter. And, for the person who said something about "SpyGate", it is honestly over-blown by the media, and most NFL analysts will tell you it didn't make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'm sorry that Peyton Manning had to put his team in a position to come back in the 4th Quarter. And, for the person who said something about "SpyGate", it is honestly over-blown by the media, and most NFL analysts will tell you it didn't make a difference.I agree that its overblown but not that it didn't make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I agree that its overblown but not that it didn't make a difference. I'm not even saying this just as a New England Patriots fan. Honestly, every team does something like this, and I know that it is not an excuse, but it really didn't effect anything. Look at the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 70's when their whole team was on steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'm sorry that Peyton Manning had to put his team in a position to come back in the 4th Quarter.I'm sorry that Peyton Manning doesn't have an impeccable team that optimizes his opportunities, puts him in a failsafe position, and hands him the ball so he can string together an average drive and "set up" the clutchest kicker in NFL history from moderate distance, and then proceed to have his [expletive] polished by the mouths of the media for what was really a pedestrian performance that Manning could've done 5x better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I'm sorry that Peyton Manning doesn't have an impeccable team that optimizes his opportunities, puts him in a failsafe position, and hands him the ball so he can string together an average drive and "set up" the clutchest kicker in NFL history from moderate distance, and then proceed to have his [expletive] polished by the mouths of the media for what was really a pedestrian performance that Manning could've done 5x better. GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think you want me to pull out the stats for head to head match-ups when Payton Manning is [expletive]ting his pants because he's nervous about being on the same stage as Tom Brady. I'll save you the time and tell you that he is downright awful against Tom Brady, and when the Colts beat the Patriots during the season that the Colts won the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning had one TD, so GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I don't think you want me to pull out the stats for head to head match-ups when Payton Manning is [expletive]ting his pants because he's nervous about being on the same stage as Tom Brady.I'm sorry that Peyton Manning doesn't have an impeccable team that optimizes his opportunities, puts him in a failsafe position, and hands him the ball so he can string together an average drive and "set up" the clutchest kicker in NFL history from moderate distance, and then proceed to have his [expletive] polished by the mouths of the media for what was really a pedestrian performance that Manning could've done 5x better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Since you love to use offensive stats in Peyton Manning's favor, do you want me to whip out the Colt's defensive stats which are on par with the New England Patriots defense? Excuses, excuses, excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great iBoldin Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 To start, I could care less of who's better, and I think they're honestly completely even with each other, but if I had to choose, I would take Manning. I'll divulge likely tomorrow, but that's my complete and utterly honest opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog17k Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Leave it to ECN to start a thread like this lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Since you love to use offensive stats in Peyton Manning's favor, do you want me to whip out the Colt's defensive stats which are on par with the New England Patriots defense? Excuses, excuses, excuses.Pay no mind to the rankings, because if New England's defense ever dropped out of the top, it was because of early- or mid- season injuries to important players on that defense. Study how they actually performed in each of the games. Manning has never had a dominant defense. The ranking is trivial if the defense is getting blasted on the ground, allowing the other team to control the tempo, and not getting their quarterback the ball (field position is a bonus). You can bullsh*t all you want Jeffrey, but even you can concede that Brady has always had the superior defense (very superior) and the better overall team. And, if we're comparing the players based on their ability and what they're able to do for you—you know, because it's a comparison topic—as opposed to debating frivolous history and statistics, Peyton still wins out. He does everything better than Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Pay no mind to the rankings, because if New England's defense ever dropped out of the top, it was because of early- or mid- season injuries to important players on that defense. Study how they actually performed in each of the games. Manning has never had a dominant defense. The ranking is trivial if the defense is getting blasted on the ground, allowing the other team to control the tempo, and not getting their quarterback the ball (field position is a bonus). You can bullsh*t all you want Jeffrey, but even you can concede that Brady has always had the superior defense (very superior) and the better overall team. And, if we're comparing the players based on their ability and what they're able to do for you—you know, because it's a comparison topic—as opposed to debating frivolous history and statistics, Peyton still wins out. He does everything better than Brady. You are insane. First off, of the most important things for a great QB is to be able to throw the deep ball, and Tom Brady does that better than Peyton Manning. Ughhh, it seems like you want to talk about the team as a whole every time you want to make an excuse for Peyton Manning, so if you want to just talk about offenses, Peyton has had the FARRRRRR superior offense throughout his career. You know, offense is the side of the ball where QB's put up stats? Usually if you have better WR's you'll put up better stats........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) You are insane. First off, of the most important things for a great QB is to be able to throw the deep ball, and Tom Brady does that better than Peyton Manning.Peyton Manning on passes thrown 31-41+ yards: 69-195, 35%, 2966 yards, 36 TDs, 13 INTsTom Brady on passes thrown 31-41+ yards: 53-183, 29%, 2390 yards, 22 TDs, 13 INTs Brady's numbers are inflated from the record-breaking year with Randy, the best deep threat ever. I could probably launch up prayers for Moss and he would snag it in each time. Ughhh, it seems like you want to talk about the team as a whole every time you want to make an excuse for Peyton Manning, so if you want to just talk about offenses, Peyton has had the FARRRRRR superior offense throughout his career. You know, offense is the side of the ball where QB's put up stats? Usually if you have better WR's you'll put up better stats........He's had the far superior offense throughout his career because he's also the superior player. I don't need numbers to arrive at the conclusion. I watch him. He's fundamentally flawless. He diagnoses and dissects defenses like a surgeon, best in the league at it. He can connect with anyone on the field, anywhere, anytime, with astonishing precision. He is the one synchronizing that high-caliber offense, not his "amazing receivers that made him." On top of that, I've probably never seen a player with a more thorough understanding of the game than him... he just knows football. You can't fault that. Edited June 29, 2009 by His Greatness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) I prefer ACLs that are in one, untampered-with piece. Mason is making mad sense ECN. Edited June 29, 2009 by Kirby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 This topic is a joke in my opinion its not even close. Peyton Manning has always been the best QB between the 2 but ill admit its been debatable. However with Tom Brady coming back from surgery (same injury that killed Palmers arm and ended his career) and taking a full year off from football its not even close. Peyton Manning by FAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 You guys are going to look like fools when Tom Brady wins his second MVP this season. I'm not going to get started about how many MVP's Peyton Manning has because he shouldn't have won it last season, and his Super Bowl MVP was probably the biggest joke of an MVP Award that I've ever seen, seriously. Here are Tom Brady's WR's before Randy Moss and Wes Welker came and he put up RECORD stats that Peyton Manning has NEVER put up: Troy Brown, Fred Coleman, Jimmy Farris, Charles Johnson, David Patten, Deion Branch, Gavid Givens, Donald Hayes, Bethel Johnson, Dedric Ward, Kevin Kasper, Bam Childress, Andre Davis, Tim Dwight, Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gafney, and Chad Jackson. This is with an AGING Troy Brown that didn't do much in the later years. To try and use these WR's and with Peyton Mannings and try and compare stats in absolutely insane. Did you guys miss what happened when Tom Brady got some great WR's? He crushed multiple records. You need WR's to put up great offensive numbers, and Tom Brady never had that luxury that Peyton Manning has had throughout his entire career. Peyton Manning can't handle the pressure when he faces Tom Brady, and when he loses, he blame it on his O-Line. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 If you want to debate statistics, you would lose that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 If you want to debate statistics, you would lose that too. Ughhh, no [expletive]. Tom Brady has had [expletive] WR's his entire career whereas Peyton Manning has been given a great arsenal of offensive talent on golden platter. Tom Brady with a great offense crushed Peyton Manning and his great offense in terms of stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Ughhh, no [expletive]. Tom Brady has had [expletive] WR's his entire career whereas Peyton Manning has been given a great arsenal of offensive talent on golden platter. Tom Brady with a great offense crushed Peyton Manning and his great offense in terms of stats.It was one one season. If we're going strictly on statistics, Brady's overall body of work doesn't even compare to Manning's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 It was one one season. If we're going strictly on statistics, Brady's overall body of work doesn't even compare to Manning's. If you are talking about passing statistics, no [expletive]! I already showed you the WR's he had. Ton Brady's complete body of work is greater than Peyton Manning's body of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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