fish7718 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Jay's discog is better, but Em is definitely close - definitely top 5 of all time. But Jay just proved that at 40+ he's still one of the best, if not the best rapper in hip hop STILL! Jay-Z is the GOAT IMO. What he's done over the past 15 years in hip hop is incredible. To stay releveant for that long, to make not only in depth lyrical songs but also songs that can appeal to the masses with so many different themes/story lines is incredible to me.Easy, ride biggie's coat tails into the game, use his lines to stay relevant and a rap battle with Nas, which he lost (lol), then just skate off of mainstream and hope people dont notice your whack tracks and eventually ride Kanye's coat tails to prove you can still do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) Hey Jay-Z, MEN LIE, WOMEN LIE, NUMBERS DON'T! Eminem United States 1999–present 1999 Hip hop 86 million[282]Jay-Z United States 1996–present 1996 Hip hop 50 million[328] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists Staying with the men lie women lie numbers don't Who won the grammy for best rap album 2 years straight now? How old is Eminem? Edited August 27, 2011 by fish7718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Yeah cause that's exactly what I said. You're the one that said "em can rap fast and jay can't. That's why he's better." I said jay can rap on ANY beat and em can't. That's my argument. And no I did not say because he has more albums I said because he's had more QUALITY albums. Em has had 3 quality albums where as jay has had many quality albums. I'm not sayin em isn't good. He's definitely a great rapper. Jay has just had more quality albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Yeah em did it all by himself right? Super producer Dr Dre had nothing to do with it at all right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Yeah cause that's exactly what I said. You're the one that said "em can rap fast and jay can't. That's why he's better." I said jay can rap on ANY beat and em can't. That's my argument. And no I did not say because he has more albums I said because he's had more QUALITY albums. Em has had 3 quality albums where as jay has had many quality albums. I'm not sayin em isn't good. He's definitely a great rapper. Jay has just had more quality albums.Lol Quality albums is all a matter of opinion, why we are on that, nothing Jay-Z has made comes close to touch the LP's. BTW saying Jay-Z can rap on any beat and Eminem can't is complete BS argument. Â Yeah em did it all by himself right? Super producer Dr Dre had nothing to do with it at all right?You're right, I forgot Jay-Z produces all of his songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Reasonable Doubt and blueprint>Slim Shady LP and eminem show. MM LP is probably the best he'll ever make. Not better than blueprint but equal for sure. You said he rode biggies coat tails? He made one song with biggie while he was alive which biggie BEGGED to be on. Jay didn't need dre or his money or his promoting to get big. Em needed that or else we would've never even heard of him. I never said jay produced his own beats but he also didn't need a super producer. All his producers from reasonable doubt are pretty much irrelevant now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 This is the most I've ever seen blazed post.. he must really love Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Lol. It's not even that but I hate when people say he's not a good rapper or that he had to ride biggies coat tails. Yes I will admit he lost to nas. I'm not denying that but he can spit and people still hate on after 15+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Reasonable Doubt and blueprint>Slim Shady LP and eminem show. ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Glad you agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Malone Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) When Jay makes anything even a little close to the MM LP come get me. Dr. Dre or not Em's lyrical skills and word play is amazing. Plus his voice doesn't crack like every 5 seconds. edit: Plus does anyone remember Em murdering Jay on his own track on Jay's breakout album? Aight. Edited August 28, 2011 by Karl Malone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Who did better on "renegade"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Anyone care to defend the shitty Eminem we had between 2003-2010? Because that would really give me a much needed laugh in this [expletive]ing hurricane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Anyone care to defend the shitty Eminem we had between 2003-2010? Because that would really give me a much needed laugh in this [expletive]ing hurricane.Funny because after the black album came out in 03 Jay-Z released 2 shit albums in 6 years american gangster and kingdom come, till BP3 in 09, so both rappers had their down time. At least Em wasn't putting out bad albums. I'll take Encore over those 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Funny because after the black album came out in 03 Jay-Z released 2 shit albums in 6 years american gangster and kingdom come, till BP3 in 09, so both rappers had their down time. At least Em wasn't putting out bad albums. I'll take Encore over those 2.Hahahahahahaha you really just said that American Gangster wasn't a good album but Encore was?!?!? Thanks, I knew one of the fishys would come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Funny because after the black album came out in 03 Jay-Z released 2 shit albums in 6 years american gangster and kingdom come, till BP3 in 09, so both rappers had their down time. At least Em wasn't putting out bad albums. I'll take Encore over those 2. Lol. Oh wow. Encore was horrendous. American Gangster had some good ass songs on that album. I'll take Kingdom Come all day everyday and twice on sunday over Encore. Absolute garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted August 28, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Eminem because I say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) Anyone care to defend the shitty Eminem we had between 2003-2010? Because that would really give me a much needed laugh in this [expletive]ing hurricane.Shitt Eminem? Â Encore? Ill give you that one. Even that had some great songs on it (Toy soldiers, Mosh, One shot 2 shot, Never enough). Then what else. Relapse? He over did the accents, but lyrically that album was outstanding. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylAFY_m11l8Â Relapse was sick imo. Then you have Recovery. Think we all know Em went hard on that one. In any case saying Em was shitty between 2003-2010 isnt justifiable by any means. Â Em also touched on so many different subjects while Jay, well, continues to talk about his money and power (and his illumi you know what agenda). Â And I hope no one in here thinks Jay > Em lyrically because thats just laughable. Edited August 28, 2011 by kingfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted August 28, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 And I hope no one in here thinks Jay > Em lyrically because thats just laughable. That's actually what does it for me. The gap between Em vs. Jay when it comes to who the better lyricist is...is far, far greater than the gap between the two concerning who the better rapper is. While people will argue who the better rapper is, there's no argument against Eminem being better lyrically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) Easy, ride biggie's coat tails into the game, use his lines to stay relevant and a rap battle with Nas, which he lost (lol), then just skate off of mainstream and hope people dont notice your whack tracks and eventually ride Kanye's coat tails to prove you can still do it.Jay-Z is 10x what Nas ever was. Nas had like one hot album. And Jay-z's diss track to Nas one of the most underrated tracks ever. Illmatic and Ether were sick no doubt but Jay-Z is way more relevant in hip hop...no one cares about nas do they? lmfao. ya'll [expletive]as are crazy i'm telling ya. does nas even rap anymore?  and you talk about diss tracks, jay-z ruined multiple [expletive]as careers. for example, his DOA track about auto tune...you barely hear anyone with the auto tune sound any more - and he dissed t-pain, that [expletive]as not getting on anyone's tracks anymore is he? i dont hear all about t-pain anymore... you obviously know nothing. jay-z's lyricism is probably above your head Edited August 28, 2011 by JYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Â Â And I hope no one in here thinks Jay > Em lyrically because thats just laughable. yeah i do you [expletive]ing moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 That's actually what does it for me. The gap between Em vs. Jay when it comes to who the better lyricist is...is far, far greater than the gap between the two concerning who the better rapper is. While people will argue who the better rapper is, there's no argument against Eminem being better lyrically.why is there no argument? i don't get it. you people are crazy. jay-z is definitely just as good lyrically as eminem is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Jay-Z is 10x what Nas ever was. Nas had like one hot album. And Jay-z's diss track to Nas one of the most underrated tracks ever. Illmatic and Ether were sick no doubt but Jay-Z is way more relevant in hip hop...no one cares about nas do they? lmfao. ya'll [expletive]as are crazy i'm telling ya. does nas even rap anymore?  and you talk about diss tracks, jay-z ruined multiple [expletive]as careers. for example, his DOA track about auto tune...you barely hear anyone with the auto tune sound any more - and he dissed t-pain, that [expletive]as not getting on anyone's tracks anymore is he? i dont hear all about t-pain anymore... you obviously know nothing. jay-z's lyricism is probably above your head Then his partner Kanye West autotunes on watch the throne. lmfaohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ula5VyZA4Ns and wasn't Tpain signed onto YM? WIth your boy Drake hmmmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Jay by far. Just his consistency over the last 15+ years is remarkable. And to whoever said American Gangster sucked, please off yourself ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Then his partner Kanye West autotunes on watch the throne. lmfaohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ula5VyZA4Ns and wasn't Tpain signed onto YM? WIth your boy Drake hmmmmm....Lmao... And what does t-pain being signed onto YM have to do with me liking Drake??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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