JYD Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 And I don't think Jay-Z is far better than Em...it's close and Eminem is top 5 in hip hop of all time rappers...dude has put out some classic shit and his verses on renegade are fire (quite possibly my favorite track of all time)...but people really do overrate him on this forum at times...The lack of respect and understanding of what Jay-Z has done in hip hop is what really shocks me here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawks Fly High Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Lmao... And what does t-pain being signed onto YM have to do with me liking Drake???You said no one cares about T Pain anymore... and he was signed by who you would call one of the best rappers in the game. So.... Jay didn't really kill autotune lmao. And I love the no response to Kanye autotuning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 The lack of respect and understanding of what Jay-Z has done in hip hop is what really shocks me hereAfterJay-Z is 10x what Nas ever was. Nas had like one hot album. And Jay-z's diss track to Nas one of the most underrated tracks ever. Illmatic and Ether were sick no doubt but Jay-Z is way more relevant in hip hop...no one cares about nas do they? lmfao. ya'll [expletive]as are crazy i'm telling ya. does nas even rap anymore? Shows that you are the one with no respect for the hip hop game and those who helped build it. Nas is easily > Jay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) You said no one cares about T Pain anymore... and he was signed by who you would call one of the best rappers in the game. So.... Jay didn't really kill autotune lmao. And I love the no response to Kanye autotuningdrake is not the ceo of ymcmb.....? kanye's autotune was wack. wtt is completely different than t-pain and kanye previous autotune..its mixed into the production After Shows that you are the one with no respect for the hip hop game and those who helped build it. Nas is easily > Jay. nas is one of the goat but jay-z is way better. check the discog my [expletive]as! Edited August 28, 2011 by JYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Checked.. Still Nasty Nas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Lol at this thread... Jay Z is the GOAT? GTFO, remember this thread? http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/20195-top-3-5-10-rappers-of-all-time/page__st__80 Thanks for the laugh though. Jay isn't even better than Nas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) Jay-Z is 10x what Nas ever was. Nas had like one hot album. And Jay-z's diss track to Nas one of the most underrated tracks ever. Illmatic and Ether were sick no doubt but Jay-Z is way more relevant in hip hop...no one cares about nas do they? lmfao. ya'll [expletive]as are crazy i'm telling ya. does nas even rap anymore?  and you talk about diss tracks, jay-z ruined multiple [expletive]as careers. for example, his DOA track about auto tune...you barely hear anyone with the auto tune sound any more - and he dissed t-pain, that [expletive]as not getting on anyone's tracks anymore is he? i dont hear all about t-pain anymore... you obviously know nothing. jay-z's lyricism is probably above your head @ this post, no one uses auto tune anymore, LIL' WAYNE JUST USED AUTOTUNE ON HIS LATEST SINGLE, gtfo, everyone uses auto tune lmao. The most ironic part of this whole post is you say i know nothing and yet your whole post it just completely dumbassery. Jay-z's lyracism is above my head? k. I love the argument for Jay-Z and it's his albums and "consistency" ROFL, GTFO PLEASE Edited August 28, 2011 by fish7718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 @ this post, no one uses auto tune anymore, LIL' WAYNE JUST USED AUTOTUNE ON HIS LATEST SINGLE, gtfo, everyone uses auto tune lmao. The most ironic part of this whole post is you say i know nothing and yet your whole post it just completely dumbassery. Jay-z's lyracism is above my head? k. I love the argument for Jay-Z and it's his albums and "consistency" ROFL, GTFO PLEASE Really? Cause the last good album em made before bad meets evil was the eminem show. Everything after has been complete garbage. He doesn't even sound the same. I want that angry, poppin pills, smoking weed em back. He was dope. Not this soft ass em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0Q4YIdnGI I'll take Encore over American Gangster any day, as well as Relapse over Kingdom Come. Eminem is just a better rapper sorry. I will take BP3 a lil bit over Recovery though. BTW this is how to rap about something other than your label or your money, Jay should take notes. Edited August 29, 2011 by fish7718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0Q4YIdnGI I'll take Encore over American Gangster any day, as well as Relapse over Kingdom Come. Eminem is just a better rapper sorry. I will take BP3 a lil bit over Recovery though.  Honestly we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. It's all a matter of opinion. I still have mad respect for em and his career. I just hate the lack of respect for jay but again it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Seriously you have to be one of the only people on this planet that would take Encore over American Gangster.  http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2772-encore/http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10879-american-gangster/ http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.486/title.eminem-encorehttp://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.868/title.jay-z-american-gangster ETC. I'm 100% sure that you can't find one review from a credible hip-hop source that rated Encore higher than American Gangster.  Whatever though, I'm not surprised by your biased opinion at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Seriously you have to be one of the only people on this planet that would take Encore over American Gangster.  http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2772-encore/http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10879-american-gangster/ http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.486/title.eminem-encorehttp://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.868/title.jay-z-american-gangster ETC. I'm 100% sure that you can't find one review from a credible hip-hop source that rated Encore higher than American Gangster.  Whatever though, I'm not surprised by your biased opinion at all.Nor can you find a critic who would put WTT over MBDTF, but you guys lol'd @ me when I said Kanye's last album was better. Then you would go on to say they 'changed hip hop'  http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/24228-jay-z-kanye-west-watch-the-throne-official-thread/page__view__findpost__p__283786 notice who repped. http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15725-watch-the-throne/?utm_source=relatedhttp://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14880-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy/ http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.1733/title.jay-z-kanye-west-watch-the-thronehttp://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.1569/title.kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lol nice, go off topic because you realize that you are wrong. Good job pulling a ECN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lol nice, go off topic because you realize that you are wrong. Good job pulling a ECN.How is this going off topic? Way to deflect my response. You brought up critics, I responded with sometimes the critics don't agree with you. Â Eminem > Jay-Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 How is this going off topic? Way to deflect my response. You brought up critics, I responded with sometimes the critics don't agree with you. Â Eminem > Jay-ZThe difference is that you are comparing two great albums vs a great album in AG and a shitty one in encore. The ratings aren't even close for AG and Encore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 The difference is that you are comparing two great albums vs a great album in AG and a shitty one in encore. The ratings aren't even close for AG and Encore.Lol many people gave Encore and AG the same rating like Rolling Stone which gave them both 4 stars. Maybe you should do your research. The only reason Encore is labeled shitty is simply because it came after 3 master pieces in SS LP MM LP and TES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lol many people gave Encore and AG the same rating like Rolling Stone which gave them both 4 stars. Maybe you should do your research. The only reason Encore is labeled shitty is simply because it came after 3 master pieces in SS LP MM LP and TES.LOLOL Rolling Stone is a credible HIP HOP source? OKAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Seriously you have to be one of the only people on this planet that would take Encore over American Gangster.  http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2772-encore/http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10879-american-gangster/ http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.486/title.eminem-encorehttp://www.hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.868/title.jay-z-american-gangster ETC. I'm 100% sure that you can't find one review from a credible hip-hop source that rated Encore higher than American Gangster.  Whatever though, I'm not surprised by your biased opinion at all. You're the last person to be calling someone biased. Not to mention that fish tried to make a comparison between albums, and you couldn't rebut his statement, so you make an off-topic remark. A few posts later you did answer his statement though. Now, I'm not going to claim I know anything about how good any of these albums are, but when I read through these music threads that you post in, when you're discussing certain artists in particular, you seem to have a strong bias to a few in particular. That doesn't mean you don't know what you're talking about, but from what I remember from always reading the music threads, you tend to love Jay-Z. You could very well be right about which album is better, but telling him not to be biased is kind of dumb. Edited August 29, 2011 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 You're the last person to be calling someone biased. Not to mention that fish tried to make a comparison between albums, and you couldn't rebut his statement, so you make an off-topic remark. A few posts later you did answer his statement though. Now, I'm not going to claim I know anything about how good any of these albums are, but when I read through these music threads that you post in, when you're discussing certain artists in particular, you seem to have a strong bias to a few in particular. That doesn't mean you don't know what you're talking about, but from what I remember from always reading the music threads, you tend to love Jay-Z. You could very well be right about which album is better, but telling him not to be biased is kind of dumb. How am I biased towards Jay-Z?  Depands. If we are talking about entire careers I'm taking Jay-Z easily. But if we are talking about who was the best in his prime I'll take Em. I really don't see anything wrong with the original statement I made. My problem here isn't that people are in love with Eminem; that's perfectly fine. But don't act like Jay-Z isn't one of hip-hops greatest MC's. Saying things like that makes me really question your knowledge/respect for hip-hop.  I'll take Em's career and talent over Jay. Eminem may have not had as many albums, but he's still sold more, that speaks for itself. So the fact that Eminem has sold more records makes him better? Come on now. Using this logic, Nsync and Backstreet Boys are two of the greatest bands of all-time!  --- Off topic but holy shit Jay and Ye just ripped the MTV Awards performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011  So the fact that Eminem has sold more records makes him better? Come on now. Using this logic, Nsync and Backstreet Boys are two of the greatest bands of all-time! Don't talk shit about Nsync man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazed49 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 How am I biased towards Jay-Z?    I really don't see anything wrong with the original statement I made. My problem here isn't that people are in love with Eminem; that's perfectly fine. But don't act like Jay-Z isn't one of hip-hops greatest MC's. Saying things like that makes me really question your knowledge/respect for hip-hop.    So the fact that Eminem has sold more records makes him better? Come on now. Using this logic, Nsync and Backstreet Boys are two of the greatest bands of all-time!  --- Off topic but holy shit Jay and Ye just ripped the MTV Awards performance.   This is exactly the point I've been trying to make throughout this whole convo. I'm not saying em isn't good but just have some respect for jay. He's been consistently putting out hits since '96. Just as we're giving em his more than due credit, give jay his. That's all I'm asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) In his prime, Eminem absolutely blew Jay away lyrically. He had better wordplay, better/more complex rhyme schemes, a more complex flow/a wider array of flows (although I can understand people preferring Jay's slower flow), better use of multi-syllable rhymes, was a better story-teller, and was better with songs with unique concepts (Stan for instance). I also feel that Em was much better at connecting with the listener with his lyrics, and had that rare ability to make it feel like he's personally talking to you...Jay is more of a poet, and some of his songs are extended metaphores for something else (which is the only way his lyrics could go way over your head), but I feel there are other rappers out there who have had a similar style to Jay and did it better. I just can't say that anyone's taken a similar style to Em and done it as well as he has, although I'd say Pun was the only one who had a similar style and did it at a similar level. Overall, Em was a more talented and versatile than Jay lyracist, and that's no knock on Jay as you can make a case for Em being the most talented lyracist of all-time (although Nas, Pun, Big L, Biggie and a few others are in the conversation). In terms of career, whether it be rap or basketball, I look at prime years the most, while taking into consideration quantity. Give me SSLP, MMLP, TES, and all the freestyles and mixtape/diss songs Em released from 1999-2004 (because those are some of my favorites works from Em) over Jay's 3 best albums and his non-album work. To me, that means more than Jay having a longer discography. I can understand people preferring Jay over Eminem, specifically because of production. Jay has always been blessed with amazing production of the more soulful variety, while Em had Dre and his own more "in-your-face" production earlier in his career, and now he basically just goes along with what's trending. I can also understand people not liking Em's subject matter, while Jay is more of a classic hip-hop style. However, I have no idea how anyone can say Jay is the better rapper...he simply isn't.   Jay-Z is 10x what Nas ever was. Nas had like one hot album. And Jay-z's diss track to Nas one of the most underrated tracks ever. Illmatic and Ether were sick no doubt but Jay-Z is way more relevant in hip hop...no one cares about nas do they? lmfao. ya'll [expletive]as are crazy i'm telling ya. does nas even rap anymore? One hot album? Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic, The Lost Tapes, God's Son and Distant Relatives are all hot albums (although Distant Relatives is an acquired taste considering Damian's part in the album, but Nas himself is amazing on it).  No one cares about Nas? He's in pretty much everyone's top 10 and he has a gigantic army of fanboys. Unlike rappers like Rakim and KRS, he has stayed very relevant in hip-hop, even if he isn't on a bunch of radio songs or the VMA's (keep in mind, Illmatic had little mainstream success, so that speaks volumes to how much that really means).  And yes, Nas still raps. Lyrically, his new single murdered anything from Jay on Watch the Throne. On the one upload of it on Youtube, the song has 2300 likes and 30 dislikes, so obviously he's still killin' it and people are still enjoying it.  and you talk about diss tracks, jay-z ruined multiple [expletive]as careers. for example, his DOA track about auto tune...you barely hear anyone with the auto tune sound any more - and he dissed t-pain, that [expletive]as not getting on anyone's tracks anymore is he? i dont hear all about t-pain anymore... Lol, he dissed a genre which, after that release, is still thriving 2-3 years later. And he dissed T-Pain...so what? T-Pain isn't even really a rapper, 'nor is he elite. If you're going to use him dissing T-Pain, then I have 0 issue using "The Warning" by Eminem, which is an absolutely viscious diss song against Mariah Carey, or his various disses to weak rappers like Benzino or Everlast. Edited August 29, 2011 by Nitro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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