EastCoastNiner Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 This is how it should be in the U.S., especially with the first prison. "Assume the position""Yes, sir" http://vimeo.com/27165926 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Lemme go there for life and show them my style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 US needs prisons like Norway so we can get rid of crime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 US needs prisons like Norway so we can get rid of crime Only a liberal would think that. We don't have Norwegians in our prisons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 US needs prisons like Norway so we can get rid of crime That makes no sense at all. You get rid of crime by keeping those that commit crime in prison. You make them hate it so they never want to go back. Oh, but we should just give them t.v., larger portions of food, lots of social time, ect. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 That makes no sense at all. You get rid of crime by keeping those that commit crime in prison. You make them hate it so they never want to go back. Oh, but we should just give them t.v., larger portions of food, lots of social time, ect. .You can't really argue the fact that Norway has one of the lowest crime rates in the world... coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 You can't really argue the fact that Norway has one of the lowest crime rates in the world... coincidence? It has nothing to do with the prison system. Tell me how having a "nice" prison is going to discourage people from committing crimes and being placed in there in the first place. They also don't have nearly as many ghettos and cities, and also don't have a lot of African American's who live in poor areas that commit most violent crimes. Please, though, tell me how Norway's prisons that are luxurious can be attributed to low crime rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 It has nothing to do with the prison system. Tell me how having a "nice" prison is going to discourage people from committing crimes and being placed in there in the first place. They also don't have nearly as many ghettos and cities, and also don't have a lot of African American's who live in poor areas that commit most violent crimes. Please, though, tell me how Norway's prisons that are luxurious can be attributed to low crime rate.I'm not saying it's a direct correlation, but it's something to think about. It's kinda like how Norway also has less strict gun laws. You'd think if more people ran around with guns, there'd be more murders but they have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'm not saying it's a direct correlation, but it's something to think about. It's kinda like how Norway also has less strict gun laws. You'd think if more people ran around with guns, there'd be more murders but they have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. There's too many variables. Even though it's a misguided statistic, I'll play along with lkr and say that Norway has a higher standard of living, so there should be less crime. The U.S. has a lot of heavily populated cities, and they contribute for a large portion of the crime. There's just no logical reason for me to believe that the nicer the prisons are, the less likely people are to commit crime. It just doesn't make any sense that way. The way the Russians run shit is beastly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I feel like the very first prison was more like a concentration camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 You make them hate it so they never want to go back. That simply won't happen. It's psychological. When you get used to being institutionalized, you lose that fear, despite being around killers all day, officers who abuse their rights, rats running around everywhere, awful food, etc.. And when you lose that fear, it makes you twice as dangerous when you make it back on the streets. It'd be the same shit no matter what kind of system you put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 maybe if you sent them to jails like in Norway, where they rehabilitate the inmates and teach them how to be productive in the workforce, you would have people that don't need to commit crime to get by in life. our prison system does NOTHING beneficial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 maybe if you sent them to jails like in Norway, where they rehabilitate the inmates and teach them how to be productive in the workforce, you would have people that don't need to commit crime to get by in life. our prison system does NOTHING beneficial I agree to an extent, but a few things...a lot of those inmates suffer addictions, from drugs to sex (rapists, pedophiles, etc..), to whatever it is called to have the urge to kill people, etc.. And if the success rates are similar to regular drug rehabilitation (which tends to be at nice facilities, not prison), then the success rate for rehabilitation is a very generous 10%. So, I definitely do think it would be very beneficial to incorperate more of that into the prison system, but for the most part it'll fail for over 90% of the inmates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reno Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 maybe if you sent them to jails like in Norway, where they rehabilitate the inmates and teach them how to be productive in the workforce, you would have people that don't need to commit crime to get by in life. our prison system does NOTHING beneficial dog this is america, Norway's prisons wont work her lmao. Completely different type of culture/mentality/people/populations size. If we had prisons set up like norway, people would commit crimes just so they could get thrown in jail. People like to abuse the system and find every little loophole they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 If we had prisons set up like norway, people would commit crimes just so they could get thrown in jail. People like to abuse the system and find every little loophole they can get. You act like that doesn't already happen. Free medical care for inmates.....smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 People also forget that Norway has only a few million people while America has 330 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 People also forget that Norway has only a few million people while America has 330 million.The rate is per 100,000 people, so the population doesn't matter if the sample size is the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reno Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 The rate is per 100,000 people, so the population doesn't matter if the sample size is the sameI'm willing to bet the diversity amongst those people are completely different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'm willing to bet the diversity amongst those people are completely different...Obviously, dumbass I sure [expletive]ing hope so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I feel like the very first prison was more like a concentration camp There's little doubt in my mind that those prisoners got the shit beaten out of them when they first arrived, and get beaten quite often. Did you see the look on the wardens face when he said something along the lines of, "There is only one way out, and that's the morgue". . Also, lkr, you aren't making sense. You are talking about people that are in jail already being rehabilitated. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about prisons like in Russia where people don't want to go to. Having a nice prison system is not going to deter people from committing crimes. You're spewing your rehabilitation garbage again when it has no place with what is being discussed. We aren't talking about preventing former criminals from committing crimes again, but rather about deterring people from committing crimes in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Obviously, dumbass I sure [expletive]ing hope so... So...then the population size and diversity does matter when statistics show minorities commit the majority of crimes, and the U.S. has a much larger African American population than Norway, and I'm assuming the percentage is much greater as well. It's not just apples and oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 We aren't talking about preventing former criminals from committing crimes again, but rather about deterring people from committing crimes in the first place. Read my posts. You really have to understand the psychology and make-up of the prison population before making statements like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Read my posts. You really have to understand the psychology and make-up of the prison population before making statements like this. I read what you wrote, and I don't see what it has to do with what you quoted. I'm not talking about people in prison, but people who will fear going to prison in the first place. Also, that's kind of a blanket statement you're making. I'm sure you have some statistics to back up your claims, but I'm not buying all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 these kinds of prisons are unconstitutional anyway. debate over kthx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 I read what you wrote, and I don't see what it has to do with what you quoted. I'm not talking about people in prison, but people who will fear going to prison in the first place. Also, that's kind of a blanket statement you're making. I'm sure you have some statistics to back up your claims, but I'm not buying all of it. What I'm trying to say is you won't get people so scared of going to prison that they'll stop commiting crimes. Even if you call the US's prison system 'nice', there are still officers kicking the crap out of inmates, inmates killing and raping other inmates, god-awful food, disease everywhere (I saw a real nasty example of this on Beyond Scared Straight in the shower areas), rats and other rodents running around, etc... There is still the death penalty on the table in many states. Many of these inmates don't do it just to be unruly, or even just for money. According to THIS study, nearly 85% of the prison population are either substance abuse addicts or were high during their crime/commited their crime to get the drugs. I'd assume what makes up the other 15% are people with severe sex addictions (rapsts, pedophiles), and then stone-cold killers (many of whom have an addiction/urge to kill that you won't scare out of them). In other words, when such a huge amount of the prison population have these terrible addictions, a stricter prison system won't be much of a deterant. They need to satisfy their urges, despite the consequences. That's why better rehabilitation programs would be beneficial, but bottom line is no matter who you do things won't get much better either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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