AboveLegit Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 You get to pick one QB to lead your team for one full season. Who do you pick? There's a lot of flaws in each QB, so choose wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I'll debate my points which are well known if this topic stays on topic and has healthy clean opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Vick. Eli has a ring which is definitely something that goes in his favor but he's just too hot and cold for me. You never know what you're going to get. I know the same can be said for the other 2 but Vick just causes so many matchup problems. I'd go Vick, Eli, Romo if I had to choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I voted for Eli, but I'd want Romo. RomoEliVickGrossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 RomoVickManning I'm hesitant to put Romo over Vick because game planning for Vick would probably be a nightmare, but I think Romo is a very good QB. Also, I think that it would be more likely for Vick to suffer an injury due to his style of play. I'm not talking about taking a hit in the pocket, but getting drilled trying to run. Eli Manning is a distant third choice for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Vick, despite the fact he's one of the most injury prones QB's in the league. He's the toughest to gameplan for, solid pocket passer, and when all else fails he's the best at improvising. Romo is a close second and Eli is a distant third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Vick is the best but the problem is he may only play 5 games or something in your 16 game season. He's so injury prone with the way he plays. If it was for one game, I'd absolutely pick Vick. But it's so hard to want a guy who could go down at any moment because of his style. I think for one game in the big spot it probably goes Vick, Eli, Romo. Thinking about it more I'd still probably take Vick for the season over Eli and Romo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm not sure what makes Eli such a distant third to some of you guys. He's shown that he can come up big on the biggest stage in the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I would take 2010 Vick over any of the others, easily. But unfortunately this is not 2010 anymore so there is a pretty good chance he is third on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great iBoldin Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm not sure what makes Eli such a distant third to some of you guys. He's shown that he can come up big on the biggest stage in the sport. Because he's been awful this year. People are short sighted, but I don't think Eli is that great of a quarterback. He was terrible last year and this year he has been even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Because he's been awful this year. People are short sighted, but I don't think Eli is that great of a quarterback. He was terrible last year and this year he has been even worse.He wasn't terrible last year. Wasn't superb, either. Had a ton (11ish, iirc) of tipped passes go for INTs. Unfair season by the numbers, as he had a bunch of huge games where he carried us to go along with his handful of stinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great iBoldin Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 He wasn't terrible last year. Wasn't superb, either. Had a ton (11ish, iirc) of tipped passes go for INTs. Unfair season by the numbers, as he had a bunch of huge games where he carried us to go along with his handful of stinkers. Yeah, terrible is probably an exaggeration, but I don't think it's any stretch to say that he's regressed somewhat these last two years. I don't think he's better then Romo or Vick is basically what I'm saying I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Yeah, I don't think he's better than either as well. I would, however, take him over Vick.. merely because of the health factor, which extends back into his Atlanta days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 29, 2011 Owner Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 It's hard to say, because I really don't know the rest of my team. How's the o-line looking? Do I have receivers? Is there a run game? If I really don't know any of that, I'm taking Vick because he patches the most holes. Yeah, he gets injured, but look what happened to Romo last season, and he already has broken ribs and a punctured lung this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm not sure what makes Eli such a distant third to some of you guys. He's shown that he can come up big on the biggest stage in the sport. Both Vick and Romo are just flat out better than Eli. Romo is a better throw and still more mobile than Eli Manning, and Vick is one of the biggest threats in the league. Yes, Eli Manning winning a Super Bowl is nice and all, but he didn't do too much that game. You can show me all the videos you want of that game, but Eli didn't do much at all. And, because I know how most of you think, comparing what Eli did in that Super Bowl to what Brady did in his Super Bowls are not comparable. I'm only mentioning that because I know people think Brady didn't do much in those Super Bowl victories, and may compare the play of both players during those games. Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl, but he didn't do all that much to help his team win..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Trent Dilfer doesn't have a super bowl MVP trophy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Trent Dilfer doesn't have a super bowl MVP trophy, though. That's true, but I still don't think Eli's performance in that Super Bowl is reason enough to put him over Romo or Vick, unless you really think his skillset is very close to theirs. I know you never said his skillset is near theirs, but I have him as a definite distant third until he gets his head out of his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 At this point I dont see how anyone can go against Vick as the top out of the three. But I do disagree with the fact the Eli is a distant third. Romo is not far above Eli they both are equal qb's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Because he's been awful this year. People are short sighted, but I don't think Eli is that great of a quarterback. He was terrible last year and this year he has been even worse.Lol...Riiiight. If all you watch is highlights... Yeah, terrible is probably an exaggeration, but I don't think it's any stretch to say that he's regressed somewhat these last two years. I don't think he's better then Romo or Vick is basically what I'm saying I guess.Fair enough... Both Vick and Romo are just flat out better than Eli. Romo is a better throw and still more mobile than Eli Manning, and Vick is one of the biggest threats in the league. Yes, Eli Manning winning a Super Bowl is nice and all, but he didn't do too much that game. You can show me all the videos you want of that game, but Eli didn't do much at all. And, because I know how most of you think, comparing what Eli did in that Super Bowl to what Brady did in his Super Bowls are not comparable. I'm only mentioning that because I know people think Brady didn't do much in those Super Bowl victories, and may compare the play of both players during those games. Trent Dilfer also has a Super Bowl, but he didn't do all that much to help his team win.....I take Eli over Romo not because he won the Super Bowl, because his playoff performance has been good in his career - Romo in the big spot/playoffs has been pretty terrible. Even take for example a few weeks ago against the Jets, WTF was that pass? You can't have you're QB capable of throwing the game away at the end. Do I think Romo can/will overcome that problem in his game? Eh, yeah, I think so - but at the end of the day I take Eli over Romo because I think they are fairly even outside of that aspect. And Eli hasn't regressed the past few years if you've actually watched every Giants game such as myself. A. His team has pretty much gotten worse, specifically his run game. B. His accuracy has gotten way better. He used to be wild his first few years in the league. Believe me, Eli has continually gotten better...and last week vs. the Eagles he was pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Eli pretty much shat on that Eagles secondary that was supposed to be the ultimate secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I take Eli over Romo not because he won the Super Bowl, because his playoff performance has been good in his career - Romo in the big spot/playoffs has been pretty terrible. Even take for example a few weeks ago against the Jets, WTF was that pass? You can't have you're QB capable of throwing the game away at the end.Eli Manning career playoffs Games - 7Cmpl% - 58.5%Yards - 1,300 TD's - 8Int's - 7QB Rating - 77.6 Record 3-4 Tony Romo career playoffs Games - 4Cmpl% - 59.3%Yards - 832TD - 4Int - 2QB Rating - 80.8 Record 1-3 I'll give the edge to Eli because at the end of the day he has a better record and the ring but stats wise you can see they've played pretty similarly in the playoffs. As for Romo playing bad in clutch, I won't go so far as to say thats a myth because there are obvious instances, however, people always want to pin games on Romo. I understand he makes mistakes but if you saw what I posted in the Cowboys thread the other day -- since he entered the league Romo has the 2nd best QB rating in the fourth quarter in games that are within a touchdown, behind only Peyton Manning. Also after Monday night Romo now has 11 come from behind wins in the fourth quarter in his career. Now do bad QB's save their teams asses 11 times in the 4th quarter? I think not. Anyway, obviously I'm taking Romo over Eli, I love Eli actually. I hate him because he's a Giant but I've always given the man his props. He never had great receivers and within 2 minutes when he's not over thinking he can shred any D in the NFL. That drive he had in the Super Bowl certainly says all that needs to be said about him. Although he got reallll lucky on that Tyree play but Romo is just a better passer and moves better in the pocket. He's better in almost ever part of the game when it comes to QB. In some ways you can Eli Manning a poor mans Romo Now Romo vs Vick. Vick last year was a beast and one of the best QB performances of anyone. However I believe the Bears figured out the gameplan vs Vick and teams have implemented it since. If you get pressure on him he crumbles. As good as Vick is and as many match up; problems he creates I'd rather have the more traditional QB in Romo. The guy who really can stay in the pocket and sling a ball. Thing about Romo is he manipulates the pocket just about better than anyone in the league, and the only reason Romo doesn't average a bunch of yards rushing is because he doesn't rush anymore, he used to. However instead when he has a chance to rush he tries to make plays with his arm since he always has his eyes down field. In the end, I don't blame anyone for picking any of the 3, all 3 can win a super bowl. However, give me Romo. He just does so much for a team that you can't see with stats you have to watch him to appreciate it. Best arm out of all 3 of these QB's combo'd with one of the fastest releases in NFL history. If he cuts down on the mistakes he is truly mentionable with the Rivers and dare I say Manning's of the world. He has to cut down on the picks though, has to. Trent Dilfer doesn't have a super bowl MVP trophy, though.Justin Tuck was robbed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Eli pretty much shat on that Eagles secondary that was supposed to be the ultimate secondary.Eh the corners are the ultimate, the secondary itself is dare I say, above-average. The game plan the Giants used was genius. Getting 1 on 1 coverage with safeties and completing short passes making those crappy linebackers and safeties come up and make tackles. The only reason I didn't enjoy watching the eagles get beat like that because I know they are going to be better prepared for that next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 The 49er's message board has a thread going about what people really think of Romo, and this is one of the posts I just read, that makes some good points, mainly statistically. "He is truly a stud. He takes chances, has a cannon, slings the ball and isn't afraid to make things happen. He is also the 4th highest rated qb in NFL history, and the HIGHEST RATED 4TH QUARTER QB IN NFL HISTORY. People who say he chokes are crazy. He plays for the Cowboys, so when someone farts, it's covered in the media. His mistakes are looked at with a microsope. He's led like 10 comeback wins in the 4th quarter or OT, and has the numbers to prove he is a stud. He's playing with 1st and second year kids, with a line more inexperienced than any in the NFL, a patchwork WR corp with the injuries, and is injured. He's also very, very smart. He reads defenses, knows what they're doing, and finds the holes -- a la reality star beats the 49ers. He was all over the Jets that first game. His strength is also his flaw -- taking chances. That leads to big risk and big reward. He is rewarded more often than not, but when he makes a mistake it is blown up. 42-26 career record 122td's/64 int's 95.5 career QBR (4th best all-time) 8.1 YPA (4th best all-time) I'd take that dude in a second!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Eli Manning career playoffsRecord 3-4Not that it makes a huge difference, and I haven't gotten to the rest of your post yet, but he's actually 4-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Not that it makes a huge difference, and I haven't gotten to the rest of your post yet, but he's actually 4-3.Yeah wow, I know he was undefeated 07 1 and done every other year, just messed up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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