magicbalala245 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The NBA and NBPA have made significant progress Wednesday night toward reaching a deal, two sources briefed on talks told Y! Sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) My sources have informed the NBA lock out has ended and there is going to be a deal announced very soon... but my sources are weak so don't get your hopes up lol Edited November 10, 2011 by Z True Long Island Story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Its been 10 hours now, not that the length of the meeting really matters as we've learned the past couple of weeks but just throwing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) AlexKennedyNBA Alex KennedyLabor meeting has ended. NBA and NBPA will hold separate press conferences, which likely means no deal. Quotes soon. -_- Edit: WojYahooNBA Adrian WojnarowskiStern: Two sides will meet again Thursday at noon. daldridgetnt David AldridgeStern: We've agreed to stop the clock while we contnue to negotiate. Back at noon tomorrow. Neither optimistic nor pessimistic. Edited November 10, 2011 by Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) AlexKennedyNBA Alex KennedyBilly Hunter: "This session could go on for another couple of days." daldridgetnt David AldridgeHunter: didn't make much headway on any of the five system issues AlexKennedyNBA Alex KennedyDavid Stern: "There are many issues of importance. Right now, we're not failing and we're not succeeding. We're just there." SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. SpearsFisher: "We can't say there was significant progress today." KBergCBS Ken BergerFisher on 50-50: What we stated yesterday was an openness and a willingness to come off of our number. Edited November 10, 2011 by Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?QuestionMark? Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I don't know about anyone else, but I've been really productive with all this extra time since there's a lockout. Once again, I think the owners are full of crap and the players have given up enough for a deal to get done. And besides the players getting the short end of the stick, this rumored deal is complete BS. I don't like the idea of eliminating the MLE for teams over the Lux Tax or a super tax. Too me that just says the owners can't control their own spending habits. Spending a ton of cash doesn't translate to winning...just ask Isiah Thomas era Knicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Well, they go back into meeting today in just a bit...hopefully they'll come out with some good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not holding my breath. The lack of basketball is starting to get to me though so I am cautiously optimistic. If a deal is to get worked out, I don't expect it to be done any time soon, but more like some time next week. It still sounds like they might be too far apart on the issues. The players keep bending over backwards and the owners just aren't making the effort. Originally I was pro-owners, but each passing day, the owners just look more and more stubborn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Woj is claiming that the union is downplaying the progress they made yesterday because they don't want teams and players expecting a deal the very next day like what happened the last couple of weeks. They actually made significant progress on 3 of the 5 system issues the players wanted. The biggest obstacle is going to be whether or not the owners are able to ratify the new CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 In response to a radio interview by former Knicks and Jazz president Dave Checketts, several members of the media have reported that sources say no agreement has been formally reached. "Person in the room assures me that no agreement has been reached," writes Ken Berger. "They're about to hit the five-hour mark here in New York." Kate [expletive]an of the Philadelphia Inquirer spoke with a more optimistic source. "Not yet, we have to cross T's and dot I's," said [expletive]an's source. "Right there though. You know how these things go. On route to getting it done, but anything could blow it up." A source has told Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski that no framework of deal has been proposed to owners. A player source told Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick that there is no agreement. "Not at all (true)," said the source. "We have yet to discuss our positions at all." Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports (via Twitter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Kate [expletive]an of the Philadelphia Inquirer spoke with a more optimistic source F.agan's name is censored. Didn't notice that when I read something involving her before on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I have not missed basketball at all.....until football ends, then I need my fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Update: NEW YORK -- Negotiators for the league and players' association made modest progress on the use of the mid-level exception for luxury tax-paying teams Thursday, but other guidelines governing exceptions and the tax level emerged as a new sticking point, three people briefed on the labor talks told CBSSports.com.One of the people said league negotiators signaled a willingness to raise the so-called "mini mid-level" to three years starting at $3 million for teams above the luxury-tax level, to be available every other year. The previous offer was a two-year deal starting at $2.5 million, available every other year to tax teams. There was no indication union negotiators were ready to agree to this slight improvement in the owners' proposal, as it would reduce the mid-level exception for tax teams from last year's five-year, $37 million total to three years and $9 million for teams above the tax line. UPDATE: After conferring with owners on the labor relations committee, commissioner David Stern was prepared to deliver a revised proposal to the union Thursday night based on the deal points negotiated over the past two days, a person with knowledge of the plans confirmed to CBSSports.com. The revised proposal, first reported by Yahoo Sports, was not the so-called "reset" proposal threatened if talks broke down, the person said. Also Thursday, a new hurdle emerged in the discussion over when teams would face the new restrictions owners are proposing for teams above the luxury tax threshold. Two of the people briefed on the talks said owners were pushing for teams under the tax at the time of the transaction to be restricted from using the full mid-level -- four-year deals starting at $5 million -- if the signing put the team over the tax. In that case, the team would be restricted to use of the mini mid-level. Union negotiators want the new restrictions to be based on where a team's payroll sits in relation to the tax prior to the use of the exception -- not where it stands afterward. After a 12-hour session Wednesday produced minimal progress, the two sides pushed past the eight-hour mark Thursday with the threat looming that league negotiators would pull their existing offer off the table and replace it with a worse one. The new offer, originally scheduled to be furnished to the players at 5 p.m. Wednesday but delayed due to the ongoing talks, would have featured a 53-47 economic split in favor of the owners and also would include a hard team salary cap and rollbacks of existing contracts. The two sides currently are negotiating off a league proposal that would give the players a 50 percent share of revenue and maintain a soft-cap system -- albeit with a vastly more onerous luxury tax system, more restrictions on exceptions, shorter contracts and smaller annual raises. On Tuesday, union officials held a meeting with more than 40 players, including 29 team player reps, and signaled a willingness to meet the NBA on its 50-50 economic split provided that a list of five or six system-related issues could be resolved to the players' satisfaction. One of the roadblocks in the talks, according to multiple people involved in the process, is that players who previously did not realize how severe the owners' proposal was had become emboldened to push for significant concessions on the remaining system points. Even if and when a deal is reached, agents who have long opposed the concessions delivered to the league by union negotiators will be advising their clients to review the proposal closely and vote against it if it isn't substantially different than what the players learned about Tuesday. "The players aren't going to be hoodwinked on this one," one such agent told CBSSports.com. Also slowing progress in the bargaining room, according to one of the people briefed on the talks, was the fact that the league still has not fully shared details of its plans to enhance revenue sharing -- a mechanism that would redistribute money from high-revenue teams to low-revenue teams at supposedly more aggressive rate than previously. Hard-line players and agents are resisting further system concessions, which the league says it needs to create more competitive balance, until it becomes clear what owners are going to do in that regard through revenue sharing. http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33225313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Meeting just ended after 11 hours. daldridgetnt David AldridgeUnion first. Fisher: Revised offer does not meet us all the way on system. Will stop talks for now. Will confer with players/committee. Ugh... Edited November 11, 2011 by Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) WojYahooNBA Adrian WojnarowskiHunter won't say whether he would accept this deal or not. Wants to get players into New York Monday or Tuesday and see what they want. Which means the offer the league extended to the players will be on the table for a while and the owners can't reduce their BRI offer to 53-47. Only good news that came out of this. SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. SpearsHunter says union hopes to meet with players reps on revised NBA offer in NY on Monday or Tuesday. KBergCBS Ken BergerHunter says there are another 30 or 40 secondary issues that also need to be resolved. KBergCBS Ken BergerHunter: Among those seconary issues are the age limit, commissioner discipline, etc. -- six pages union presented them. daldridgetnt David AldridgeHunter: not the greatest offer in the world, but thinks he owes it to player reps to bring the offer to them daldridgetnt David AldridgeFisher: if this is league's last best offer we'll have to take that into consideration Edited November 11, 2011 by Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Stern: WojYahooNBA Adrian WojnarowskiThe NBA is offering the players a 72 game season starting on Dec. 15. WojYahooNBA Adrian WojnarowskiStern says owners will return to 47 percent offer on BRI, and flex salary cap if no agreement early next week. daldridgetnt David AldridgeStern: we have made our revised proposal, and we don't plan to make another one SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. SpearsSilver: Playoffs and Finals would be moved back a week under revised schedule. There will be short free agency, training camp & preseason. daldridgetnt David AldridgeStern: we've gone as far as the labor relations committee can go...there comes a time when you have to end negotiating, and we are Basically its all on the players now. Edited November 11, 2011 by Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Yeah, ball is in the players hands now, they better accept this deal. We can get a 72 game season starting on Dec. 15 according to Adam SIlver, which would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 One more noteworthy tweet: ChrisMannixSI Chris MannixIt sounded like Fisher, Hunter want to dissect the offer w/player reps and try to negotiate more. Stern indicating negotiations are over. A bit of miscommunication between union and the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 If that's the case, we're all [expletive]ed. Stern doesn't want to negotiate anymore, it's bad enough that we have so many hardline owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 You'd think that this would be the sort of thing that the union would be able to pick up during an 11 hour meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Possibly some more bad news: WojYahooNBA Adrian WojnarowskiSeveral agents tell Y! Sports they have 200-plus player signatures for union decertification petition and paperwork could be filed Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Not worrying about decertification, all of that talk is being used strictly as a negotiating tactic, much like Stern's ultimatums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 WojYahooNBA Adrian WojnarowskiAs one Eastern Conference executive just texted about 72 game sked: "Instead of (the players) missing two checks, they will only miss one." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I'm about to have a 4.0 this semester. I guess the lockout has actually forced me to study. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballorama Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I'm about to have a 4.0 this semester. I guess the lockout has actually forced me to study. lol Hahaha, thats the best thing about lockout in my opinion, with no shit to watch during the weeks, homework and studying have consumed my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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