magicbalala245 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 CP3 would also consider signing extension w/LA Clippers. But Clips' 1st choice is Dwight Howard, sources say.... Clippers will do whatever it takes - outside of trading Blake Griffin - to get Dwight, sources say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make It Naaaashty Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Dwight doesn't want Clippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicbalala245 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Dwight doesn't want Clippers. Your right he wants to go to the team across the hall from them :glasses: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Dwight doesn't want Clippers.Dwight absolutely wants LA.. if not the Lakers, why not the Clippers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerGuy Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I would pay money to see a Howard-Griffin front-court. Could you imagine a Lakers, Clippers game? Bynum and Gasol vs Howard and Griffin, goodness gracious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 No way would they get Dwight without giving up Blake. Otis Smith isn't that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Dwight and Blake would be sick together....wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sħãlïq™ Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I don't think we should go after Dwight. Chris Paul, however, is a different story. Clippers trade: Mo Williams Eric Bledsoe Chris Kaman 2012 Minnesota First Round Pick Hornets Trade: Chris Paul Emeka Okafor Hornets get a lotery pick in a stacked draft, a great center, a promising young point guard, and an established vet. Clippers get the point guard of their dreams while also getting a 2nd center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Yikes that's a bad trade proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 That really is terrible. The Hornets would never accept that. They'd at the very least demand Eric Gordon for Chris Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballorama Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 LMAO. IF that trade went down.. CP3Gordon??GriffinDeAndre Jordan sick lineup.. but would never happen haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 They might have to settle for Paul, that is if they can pry him away from New York. RealGM's Jarrod Rudolph reported earlier on Monday that Howard won't be interested in playing for the Clippers. Rudolph also reports that the Celtics will pursue Howard and that the Magic remain a viable option. Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/216815/Clippers_Celtics_Will_Pursue_Dwight_Howard#ixzz1f7VAV3Wv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 That really is terrible. The Hornets would never accept that. They'd at the very least demand Eric Gordon for Chris Paul. Why would the Clippers do that? They could just make a run at Paul in FA. That Minny pick is better than anything New York gave for Melo, and will be a franchise piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Yikes that's a bad trade proposal That is better than what New York gave for Anthony, or at the very least comparable. For a player that you absolutely know won't be re-signing, getting a package involving the Wolves unprotected 2012 1st (a potential top 5 pick in an absolutely loaded draft), a 15-10 center (when healthy), an athletic, 21 year old point guard who averaged 7/3/3.5 in 22 minutes as a rookie and a $10M expiring contract to a cash strapped franchise for a player who is already counting down the days to when he can leave. Not to mention they dump around $41M of Emeka Okafor and given their financial position, that would be very appealing to them as well. I really don't see how this would be a bad proposal given the circumstances. Its not like this is a fully healthy, signed long term Chris Paul. There are still plenty of concerns about his health and whether or not he can regain the form that he had in the late 00's. He certainly didn't look like the same player last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 That is better than what New York gave for Anthony, or at the very least comparable.That is fine, it is still a bad offer and one that an NBA owned franchise wouldn't accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 That is fine, it is still a bad offer and one that an NBA owned franchise wouldn't accept. What exactly makes it so bad? Is it the young point guard with some upside? Is it the potential top 5 pick? Is it the $10M expiring? Is it the 15/10 center on a 2 year deal? I'm just confused as to what about the package you think makes it so awful. Obviously none of the pieces are as good as a Chris Paul (although you never know how the draft pick may end up) but its not like you actually get full value for a superstar when you are trading him, especially when you are forced to trade him or let him walk with no compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Is it the young point guard with some upside? Is it the potential top 5 pick? Is it the $10M expiring? Is it the 15/10 center on a 2 year deal?Yes, it is all of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 ChrisMannixSI Chris MannixI've been told any deal involving @CP3 is unlikely as long as the NBA is the de facto owner of the Hornets. They don't want that PR mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) Yes, it is all of those things. So what is a realistically fair package for Paul, in your opinion? Edited November 29, 2011 by Built Ford Tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 How was that trade bad for the Nuggets? They won more games after that trade than the Knicks did (I'm pretty sure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 How was that trade bad for the Nuggets? They won more games after that trade than the Knicks did (I'm pretty sure). It wasn't. It was about as good of a package as you are going to get for a star who wants out and will only go to 1 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 What exactly makes it so bad? Is it the young point guard with some upside? Is it the potential top 5 pick? Is it the $10M expiring? Is it the 15/10 center on a 2 year deal?Bledsoe rocked a 42%/27% last year with 2.4 TO's against 3.6 APG. Where is the upside? He's speedy? I don't like him. The pick is valuable. It is still only one, uncertain pick. Is the expiring super valuable? Everyone in the league is going to have valuable expirings, if they aren't amnestied. Kaman looked terrible last year. Slow, hurt, ineffective, 12 and 7. If this is the best the Hornets can do, I expect them to pass and let him go in FA. Especially for a league owned team who, as Chris Mannix points out, won't want to deal with the PR mess fresh off a lockout. @ChrisMannixSI I've been told any deal involving @CP3 is unlikely as long as the NBA is the de facto owner of the Hornets. They don't want that PR mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) Bledsoe rocked a 42%/27% last year with 2.4 TO's against 3.6 APG. Where is the upside? He's speedy? I don't like him. The upside is that he is 21 years old and was considered as a work in progress when drafted. Not to mention it is well known that most point guards go through ups (such as his November in which he averaged 10/5/6 on 49% in 15 games) and downs (such as his Janurary in which he averaged 4/2/3 on 33% in 14 games) during their rookie year as they make the adjustment from college to the pros. Is the expiring super valuable? Everyone in the league is going to have valuable expirings, if they aren't amnestied. When you are in the financial position that the Hornets are in, how is the expiring no valuable? Kaman looked terrible last year. Slow, hurt, ineffective, 12 and 7 And he looked great the year before. Efficient, productive, All-Star, 19/9. He is also at $12.2M expiring (which I was wrong about, I thought he was expiring in 12/13) as opposed to Okafor's $41M. Huge salary relief, a young point guard who may or may not have upside and a potential 1st round pick. Even the 1st alone would be better than letting Paul walk for nothing. Edited November 29, 2011 by Built Ford Tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 The upside is that he is 21 years old and was considered as a work in progress when drafted. Not to mention it is well known that most point guards go through ups (such as his November in which he averaged 10/5/6 on 49% in 15 games) and downs (such as his Janurary in which he averaged 4/2/3 on 33% in 14 games) during their rookie year as they make the adjustment from college to the pros.So he's young, didn't play well, but might get better. I guess you see something that I don't. When you are in the financial position that the Hornets are in, how is the expiring no valuable?I am not saying that, but I am saying that this is something any team can offer to the Hornets. And he looked great the year before. Efficient, productive, All-Star, 19/9. He is also at $12.2M expiring (which I was wrong about, I thought he was expiring in 12/13) as opposed to Okafor's $41M.So you think he'll revert to '09/'10 form? Because career-wise, it was an anomaly. Huge salary relief, a young point guard who may or may not have upside and a potential 1st round pick. Even the 1st alone would be better than letting Paul walk for nothing.I am not saying it is not better than letting him walk for nothing. The Nets could offer Marshon Brooks and it would be better than letting him walk for nothing. But it's not a good offer for Paul, it's not the best offer they'll get, and it's not enough for the NBA owned Hornets to give him away. In this deal, the Hornets would get a maybe player in Bledsoe, a downgrade at center from Okafor to Kaman (while saving cash), an expiring contract, and a crapshoot draft pick that will likely be very early in the draft. Is that worth Chris Paul? Is that better than what other teams will offer? I think there is 0 chance a deal for Paul looks like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Also, not picking a side on which deal is better, but here are some numbers if you want to compare that to the Knicks deal from last year: 14.48 PER, 4 PlayersChandler 15.3/5.7 14.68Gallinari 15.6/4.9 15.71Felton 15.5/8.3 16.68Mozgov 3.6/2.7 10.85'14 1st'12 2nd'13 2ndCash for 20.30 PER, 2 Players (a touch skewed, didn't want to add PER's for Carter/Landlord/Balkman, didn't play much)Melo 25.6/7.3 21.82Billups 16.8/5.4 18.78 ___________________________________________________ 19.88 PER, 2 PlayersPaul 15.9/9.8 23.76Okafor 10.3/9.5 16.00 for 13.49 PER, 3 PlayersBledsoe 6.7/3.6 10.81Kaman 12.4/7.0 15.72Williams 14.0/6.6 13.93'12 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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