Lemon Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 “When somebody says they destroyed you, and you watch the tape and you don’t feel like you got destroyed, you circle those games,” Williams said. “I took offense.” http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_jeremy_lin_deron_williams_knicks_nets_022012 It's amazing what motivation can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayes1 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_jeremy_lin_deron_williams_knicks_nets_022012 It's amazing what motivation can do. love what he said. Edited February 21, 2012 by Hayes1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Motivation and the lack of one of the better m2m perimeter defenders guarding him He was unconscious from deep, he was getting sooo open on those jab step-step backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Motivation and the lack of one of the better m2m perimeter defenders guarding him He was unconscious from deep, he was getting sooo open on those jab step-step backs.Yeah...NO Shump.....I mean, Williams was hitting those 3's, and his teammates started joining in. The 3 ball is really what killed the Knicks. The Nets didn't get too much around the basket. The Knicks were so late getting out to contest...and no Chandler for the majority of the game was a killer. It was a rough one to watch, I'm still not sold yet on the "Carmelo can't play w/ Lin" thing though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobb Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Saw this on Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/n8Ym1.jpg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Saw this on Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/n8Ym1.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) http://sports.yahoo....cks_nets_022012 It's amazing what motivation can do. I know exactly what he is referring to. I went in depth about this issue in the last NY vs NJ game thread. Lmao at everyone who was saying that Lin outplayed DWill that game. He didn't. ESPN blew it up and made it seem like Lin shit on DWill as well but in reality Farmar was guarding him for the majority of the game. And lmao at people acting like Shump was the difference in this game. If he overplayed DWill like he does many other players, Dwill would have taken his ankles multiple times. DWill was straight BALLIN last night. There is nothing Shump could have done to stop him. Also, people seem to forget that we have been playing with out our 2nd best player ALL YEAR. Also, blaming the refs is extremely stupid. Both teams didn't get calls. Shit, that play that Melo hacked the shit out of Morrow and they called a travel on Morrow.... he lost 4 teeth! GTFO with that the refs gave the Nets more calls bullshit. Edited February 21, 2012 by GUƦU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 ^^ lol i dont think like D Will has ever shot like that in his life, fluke winMarc Berman Difference between Lin, Anthony. Lin's turnovers occur trying to make others better. Melo's TOs come trying to make himself better. #Knicksfalse, but k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) fluke win It's not like more than half of the threes were wide open threes or anything. It's so funny hearing about how the Nets won because of "fluke" threes when the Knicks offense is notorious for chucking threes. Awesome. Edited February 21, 2012 by GUƦU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 And lmao at people acting like Shump was the difference in this game. If he overplayed DWill like he does many other players, Dwill would have taken his ankles multiple times. DWill was straight BALLIN last night. There is nothing Shump could have done to stop him. Also, people seem to forget that we have been playing with out our 2nd best player ALL YEAR.Shumpert wasn't the difference in the game, but he most certainly was a difference in the game. He's one of the best young man defenders around.. to think that he wouldn't have slowed D-Will at least a little more than Lin did is not being objective. Yes, D-Will was on fire. The jab pop 3 destroyed us, and we weren't able to hide Lin on Gaines. But Shumpert would have taken away at least a few angles, making it tougher for him. Not the reason we lost, but definitely would have helped. You have been without Brook, and I would never hold it against you if you used it as an excuse. Just as we've been without Melo (blessing) and Baron for most of it. Also, blaming the refs is extremely stupid. Both teams didn't get calls. Shit, that play that Melo hacked the shit out of Morrow and they called a travel on Morrow.... he lost 4 teeth! GTFO with that the refs gave the Nets more calls bullshit.I thought the Nets definitely got more calls, but that's not an excuse as to why we lost. Those ticky tack fouls Chandler picked up in the first half were bullshit and kept him on the bench while we were getting slammed in the 2nd quarter, but in all we were outplayed. I wouldn't have referenced it, personally. Nice win for the Nest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I thought the Nets definitely got more calls, but that's not an excuse as to why we lost. Those ticky tack fouls Chandler picked up in the first half were bullshit and kept him on the bench while we were getting slammed in the 2nd quarter, but in all we were outplayed. I wouldn't have referenced it, personally. Nice win for the Nest. And the two soft ass foul calls on Deron that kept him out basically the ENTIRE fourth quarter don't matter?! I can agree wit the refereeing being inconsistent last night but some Knicks fans need to stop acting like the refs won us the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 but some Knicks fans need to stop acting like the refs won us the game.lol really? but that's not an excuse as to why we lostbut in all we were outplayedI wouldn't have referenced it, personallyNice win for the Nest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 And the two soft ass foul calls on Deron that kept him out basically the ENTIRE fourth quarter don't matter?!I didn't say that. Just because I said that I felt the Nets were getting more calls doesn't mean that the Nets got every call and the Knicks got none. Just that I felt the Nets picked up more of the 50/50 ones. Again, I feel the Nets got more calls but outplayed us regardless. They deserved to win and they won. We deserved to lose and we lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 lol really? Wasn't talking about on here... but okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I didn't say that. Just because I said that I felt the Nets were getting more calls doesn't mean that the Nets got every call and the Knicks got none. Just that I felt the Nets picked up more of the 50/50 ones.Just sounds like a weak excuse to me. In every game one team is going to get more calls than another. In this case I don't think it was a big enough issue to even bring up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Just sounds like a weak excuse to me. It's not an excuse? A game observation is not an excuse. It's.. a game observation. As I've repeatedly been saying, we were outplayed. There is no excuse tied to being outplayed.. it is admitting the other team was better. The Nets, last night, were better. In this case I don't think it was a big enough issue to even bring up.Your opinion. A few of us feel differently. No big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I know exactly what he is referring to. I went in depth about this issue in the last NY vs NJ game thread. Lmao at everyone who was saying that Lin outplayed DWill that game. He didn't. ESPN blew it up and made it seem like Lin shit on DWill as well but in reality Farmar was guarding him for the majority of the game. And lmao at people acting like Shump was the difference in this game. If he overplayed DWill like he does many other players, Dwill would have taken his ankles multiple times. DWill was straight BALLIN last night. There is nothing Shump could have done to stop him. Also, people seem to forget that we have been playing with out our 2nd best player ALL YEAR. Also, blaming the refs is extremely stupid. Both teams didn't get calls. Shit, that play that Melo hacked the shit out of Morrow and they called a travel on Morrow.... he lost 4 teeth! GTFO with that the refs gave the Nets more calls bullshit.Lol U are a clown if u think Shumpert makes no difference in the game last night, hard to debate if u are not wiling to concede that. Dwill would've been slowed up. A guy like Shumpert can take a star player like Williams out of his rhythm. Instead of getting 40, I think he would've went for 20-25ish. Williams is still going to get his points, especially shooting like that, but Williams had like 2-3 4 point plays, didn't he? Lol. Just horrible defense combined with great shooting. Nets got more calls, especially at key points in the game I thought, but the game was officiated terribly from the beginning for both sides...Some of the fouls on Williams were horrible calls....(which is also what I said last night and maintain that now)... Shumpert wasn't the difference in the game, but he most certainly was a difference in the game. He's one of the best young man defenders around.. to think that he wouldn't have slowed D-Will at least a little more than Lin did is not being objective. Yes, D-Will was on fire. The jab pop 3 destroyed us, and we weren't able to hide Lin on Gaines. But Shumpert would have taken away at least a few angles, making it tougher for him. Not the reason we lost, but definitely would have helped. You have been without Brook, and I would never hold it against you if you used it as an excuse. Just as we've been without Melo (blessing) and Baron for most of it. I thought the Nets definitely got more calls, but that's not an excuse as to why we lost. Those ticky tack fouls Chandler picked up in the first half were bullshit and kept him on the bench while we were getting slammed in the 2nd quarter, but in all we were outplayed. I wouldn't have referenced it, personally. Nice win for the Nest.Well said. Agree with most of this. I think we still lose even with Shumpert, but our defense would've been much better. Offensively, we still probably struggle, but Shumpert has the ability to get hot in the 4th qtr of games, so he would've been a help in that game on the offensive end possibly, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Difference in the game last night Nets 15-31 from 3Knicks 5-21 from 3 They got their looks and hit their shots, we missed ours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Difference in the game last night Nets 15-31 from 3Knicks 5-21 from 3 They got their looks and hit their shots, we missed ours...Yeah... Although, many of theirs were wide open, many of ours were contested. Although we missed our fair share of open ones, too. I think fatigue was an issue, I know the Nets played 3 in a row, but I mean more of mental fatigue. Definitely not an excuse, because the Nets out played us, but I think it's difficult to maintain that intensity after such a crazy game vs. Dallas and all the hoopla the past few weeks. Edited February 21, 2012 by JYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 We got a lot of open looks in that first quarter and missed them, I'm not sure about the rest of the game, I was watching RAW for half of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 We got a lot of open looks in that first quarter and missed them, I'm not sure about the rest of the game, I was watching RAW for half of it.Smfh lol wrestling rly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Smfh lol wrestling rly Game was boringgg Melo was playing like garbo and we were missing all our shots. I felt like watching wrestling the night after elim chamber lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sħãlïq™ Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Lin stood up for Kris Humphries after Humph was showered with boos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Lin stood up for Kris Humphries after Humph was showered with boos. I still don't know why Humphries gets booed either. It seems like a stupid tradition a few Knicks fans started that caught on like a wild fire. I don't watch Keeping up with the Kardashians either so maybe it has something to do with that. Iono. Somebody enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted February 22, 2012 Author Owner Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Deron was playing angry, and he seemed like he was more pissed off than he was when he went out to light the Nuggs up in the playoffs a few years back (dropped 34) and tore the Lakers up for 35 back in 2009. He would have hit the 40-point mark on LA in that game, if it wasn't for Kobe switching over every now and then. Shump is a good defender, but Williams would have still hit the 30-point mark. He would have been more elusive with him, or just used screens. Individually...offense will almost always succeed over defense. May not be the case when you're talking team play, but you can't stick your best defensive player on an elite offensive player, on an island, and expect that offensive juggernaut to be shut down. Shump is not an elite defender yet, while Deron is a legitimate superstar in this league, arguably the best PG. There are going to be a few guys in the NBA that would torch him, if they wanted to be selfish and were pissed off. Raja Bell was a very good defensive player for a Suns team that didn't have much help defense, and D'Antoni found out really quick that sticking Bell on Kobe may have been the best option, but it didn't matter...and Kobe has toasted Phoenix more than any other team he has ever played (in regards to 40+ point games). Deron had one of those nights, and the Knicks really don't play the defense they need to in order to stop players in that zone. There's no way Shump would have held Deron to just 20. -------------- By the way...we know two things about Jeremy Lin: he's not much of a defender, and he's a turnover machine. He didn't throw very many against the Nets, but he's still struggling...and it's not "okay" as some put it...he has been THE WORST in NBA history, turning the ball over. That includes all rookies coming in and starting for their teams, like Kyrie Irving, and every player who has ever started in this league. But, on a positive note, I think his turnovers will drop as Melo gets back to form (if they actually work together). Still not acceptable, no matter the defensive attention he was getting...but winning seems to cure all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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