GamerGuy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Shaq said it a bit ago on Inside The NBA, called Bynum the best big man in the league. Charles Barkley didn't agree, said it was Dwight. They went back and forth a bit, but Shaq remained adamant that Bynum was the best. Coming from Shaq, that's really high praise of Bynum, especially considering their history against each other. What are your thoughts about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 17, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Best offensive big man in the NBA. Hard to really say if he's the best overall player. His defense has improved significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeroadkill Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfgk4jg5bI1qzxawoo1_500.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Bogut is better on offense then any Center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Considering Dwight's,"spontaneous," reactions when things don't seem to go his way as opposed to Bynum's, "resourcefullness," in the face of adversary, Id have to agree with Shaq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Doesn't Shaq hate Dwight? no surprise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 17, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Doesn't Shaq hate Dwight? no surprise...Shaq hates both. He hasn't liked Drew since: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNotoriousBANG Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Shaq is a true journalist He doesn't let personal relationships get in the way of his analysis I am highly impressed with his intellectuals on TNT, i did not knew he knew the game with so much insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 bynum really looked like a bitch a few years ago. amazing how much bigger hes gotten. bynum has improved quite a bit, on both sides, but i think dwight is still better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Shaq still hates Dwight, all because he got that Superman nickname. So dumb, Bynum isn't even in Dwight's league, not even close.. for all the limitations Dwight has, he still managed to put up 23 points a game last year, and about 20 every year (on usually between 10-14 shots, not really THAT much more than Bynum). Andrew might have a more versatile offensive arsenal, but it's like the old Kobe-LeBron debate... Kobe might have more in his arsenal, but LeBron is still more effective... same shit with Dwight and Bynum. This isn't even a debate.. you're arguing probable all-star with top 5 player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Howard is a better player than Bynum, and it isn't too close. Bynum is the better post scorer than Dwight due to his hands/touch, footwork and ability to keep the ball high at all the time. However, despite that, Howard still scores nearly 3 more points than Bynum does, and he does so on less shots. His FG% and TS% (which has been much lower than last year) are both better than Bynum. He does this as the Magic's unquestioned go-to scorer, while Bynum has the luxory of playing with the game's leading scorer as well as one of the best post players in the league in Gasol. So, the defensive pressure they face is NOT the same, and if Bynum was the #1 option, it is a good assumption that his scoring efficiency and TO's (which are high already) would plummet. Bynum is actually worse and less willing than Howard to pass out of the post, also. Defensively is where Howard makes this a no-brainer. Bynum is a good defensive big man, but he isn't great on PnR's, gets lazy with rotations, and he doesn't change every shot around the rim like Howard does. Year after year Howard is teamed up with god-awful defenders and still makes the Magic a top 5-10 defense. His impact is unreal and special, and it could be even scarier if he ever gets some help on that side of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 17, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'll delete my initial response, because Check My Stats said that Drew was an all-star. When you guys say that it's not close, it just makes it sound like you're saying that Drew is more on the level of Jermaine O'Neal. Anyway...I'll post what I did over at TLN. If you want to see what happens when you decide not to double Dwight Howard in a game, see his night against the Warriors, where he set an NBA record for free throws (39, surpassing Wilt). The only thing they could do was foul or double, and they decided to put him on the line. How about a team that THINKS they have a good enough defender to stop him one-on-one? The Thunder did last season, with Collison and Ibaka switching back and forth. Howard dropped 40 on them, grabbed 15 boards, and held their two starting big men to a total of nine rebounds, 13 points on 4-14 FG, and 10 fouls, and the Orlando Magic blew out the Thunder in February (a very good Thunder team). Anyone remember the Charlotte game, when Larry Brown thought that Okafor could handle Howard without much help? Howard dropped 45 points, 19 rebounds, and eight blocks, and he basically defeated the Bobcats by himself, as his teammates shot a collective 33%, and they allowed six Cats to score in double-figures. There are two things you do against Dwight: double him immediately, or foul him. Hey, sounds like what teams had to do against Shaq. Bynum may have a more defined post game (skillset), but he doesn't require that defensive attention just yet, and come on...it's not really up for debate. Howard takes a team ranked dead last (30th) in defense without him (or usually bottom five)...to a top three defensive ranking at the end of every year for the last three seasons (no less than 6th since 2006-07). This is the same Dwight Howard that is the primary scoring option, that faces two or three defenders at once, is usually the only guy on the team capable of grabbing boards (so he doesn't get help boxing out the opposing team), and is the ONLY defensive player on this squad, for the most part. I don't have to tell you anything about Drew. He's just not Dwight, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 You can build a championship team around Dwight Howard. You can not do the same with Andrew Bynum as your cornerstone. I think he would be a good second or third best player on a championship team, but not the main piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch23 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 You can build a championship team around Dwight Howard. You can not do the same with Andrew Bynum as your cornerstone. I think he would be a good second or third best player on a championship team, but not the main piece. What are you basing this off of? Bynum has never had the opportunity to be a 1st option, hell until maybe this year he was the 3rd option at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Best offensive big man in the NBA. Hard to really say if he's the best overall player. His defense has improved significantly. I have to agree with you as far as him being best offensive wise.Overall wise I think you've got to hand it to Dwight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I think Brook Lopez is the best offensive C in the NBA, Bynum certainly is not the best offensive 'big' though, a certain 7 foot German would refute those claims quite successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I think Brook Lopez is the best offensive C in the NBA, Bynum certainly is not the best offensive 'big' though, a certain 7 foot German would refute those claims quite successfully.Did Dwight Howard die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Did Dwight Howard die?No I think he's still alive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 No I think he's still alive...Then there's no reason to think he's not the best offensive C in the league.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Then there's no reason to think he's not the best offensive C in the league..I believe there is a reason, a lot of the points Dwight gets come off of offensive rebounds. Dwight has a dominant post game but his offensive range is so limited. Brook Lopez is so great is many areas I just think he is better offensively. That is reason to believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 20, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 When I say "big man" in my posts, I'm talking about back-to-the-basket bigs...not PF's and C's that play like Larry Bird. Lopez does not score better than Drew, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I believe there is a reason, a lot of the points Dwight gets come off of offensive rebounds. Dwight has a dominant post game but his offensive range is so limited. Brook Lopez is so great is many areas I just think he is better offensively. That is reason to believe...Being more skilled on offense does not equate to being a better offensive player. Scoring is all about putting the ball in the hoop, and doing so efficiently. Dwight trumps Lopez in both categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I believe there is a reason, a lot of the points Dwight gets come off of offensive rebounds. Dwight has a dominant post game but his offensive range is so limited. Brook Lopez is so great is many areas I just think he is better offensively. That is reason to believe... This season Dwight is averaging 1.6 more offensive rebounds than Lopez did last season. And who cares? Offensive rebounding leads to very high percentage shots, which is effective offense. It's like negating LeBron's scoring ability because he's a freak athlete who thrives in transition. And besides, Lopez plays too far away from the rim too often for my liking. Yes, he's got more versatility scoring the ball, but Howard shoots like 8% better from the field, is more unstoppable in the post, and he gets to the line double the amount as Lopez does, which puts a huge amount of pressure on the opposing team's frontcourt. And there is no way Lopez is a better offensive player than Bynum, either. If you consider Bargnani a C, he's not better than him, either. EDIT: Oh, Al Jefferson is also a better scorer, too. Edited January 20, 2012 by Nitro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Well Nitro and RD know everything so I must be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Well Nitro and RD know everything so I must be wrong Unfortunately, I'm a Nets fan. If there was any way I could argue Lopez being the better offensive player than those guys I mentioned you bet your ass I would. But I just can't. Though, I expected you would call him a better offensive player than Dwight, your hate for that guy always shows itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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