Built Ford Tough Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein Yet I'm told Jazz will keep shopping him and they'll eventually find taker for Devin. PG is only 28 and has just one year left at $8.5M Harris has fallen off quite a bit since he made the All-Star team with Jersey a few years ago so I can't imagine him having a whole lot of value around the league. However, there are some teams that are in desperate need of a point guard so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he is eventually moved. The question is to where? To the Lakers for the Odom TPE (if it is large enough, I can't remember) and a 2nd or something? Would the Knicks be interested if Davis bombs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 21, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 To the Lakers for the Odom TPE (if it is large enough, I can't remember) and a 2nd or something?The TPE is only $8.9 million, and I believe Harris makes a little over $9 mill. I'm not so sure about the Knicks picking him up, since they already have Baron waiting his turn (lol)...but then again, I don't know. Douglas and Shumpert can play the two. Would Harris come off the bench in NY? I doubt it. Would Baron? The Knicks need a defensive-minded PG, anyway. They also need someone that can create for others, but their defense is so bad, they can't bring in another guy, who will play big minutes, that is a liability on the defensive end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 The Knicks need a defensive-minded PG, anyway. They also need someone that can create for others, but their defense is so bad, they can't bring in another guy, who will play big minutes, that is a liability on the defensive end.Eh, I'm not sure I agree with this.. the defense has been middle of the pack (somewhere around 94 PPG allowed), whereas last year it was at least 100+.. If the team is scoring efficiently, we win a lot of games giving up 94 a game. We need a point guard who can create and force the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Why would anyone want him. Is he even really considered a point guard? He is like a 2, but plays the 1 because of his size, but also, he sucks at being a 2 because he can't score (efficiently), hasn't shot above 44% since leaving Dallas, and being given a key role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universe Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Would be a great 6th man on a contender to at least prove he still has what made him talented to begin with -- defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Dude is talented enough, you can't fall off that much in just a couple of seasons when you're still somewhat young. If he's in a system he can play in with the right players and coach, he can be back at that all-star level. I feel like he doesn't like playing in Utah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Dude is talented enough, you can't fall off that much in just a couple of seasons when you're still somewhat young. If he's in a system he can play in with the right players and coach, he can be back at that all-star level. I feel like he doesn't like playing in Utah.. It isn't just Utah, though. He wasn't playing well prior to the trade with the Nets, either. He averaged 15 points and 7 assists on 42.5% shooting with the Nets prior to being traded which isn't terrible, but was well below what was expected of him. In fact, he has slowly regressed every year since he made the All-Star team back in 08/09. The season after that he 17/6.6 on a 51 TS%. I already mentioned the numbers prior to the trade above. He isn't bad or anything, but I think he has lost a bit of what made him so effective that one year, which was his quickness. He doesn't seem to be as explosive off the bounce as he used to be and that really hurts his offensive game as it was so dependent on that explosiveness. He also just played way over his head that one season and it made people expect too much of him. He isn't as bad as he has played this season and I agree with you that a change of scenery would be very beneficial for his game, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 24, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Eh, I'm not sure I agree with this.. the defense has been middle of the pack (somewhere around 94 PPG allowed), whereas last year it was at least 100+.. If the team is scoring efficiently, we win a lot of games giving up 94 a game. We need a point guard who can create and force the issue.Points allowed isn't exactly the bread and butter of a defensive team. The Knicks are 21st in FG% allowed, and nearly dead last (29th) in 3PT% allowed. They are letting teams shoot 40% against them from three. By the way, the PPG allowed is 21st in the NBA...96.7 PPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Devin Harris is a duplicate of Monta Ellis, but less talented and now considerably less athletic. He has all the same weaknesses...he's a tweener who's inefficient all around the board. He also has the added weakness of having no confidence, which is clearly apparent by his recent play. With his contract, it's really hard to imagine many teams taking him on, at least not until he shows the league SOMETHING this season. A glimmer or hope and potential. If he does, and regains his confidence, he could be a nice 6th/7th man on a contender. Otherwise, he's a waste of salary. As for the Knicks, I agree with iMan. Their defense hasn't been as awful as their offense. They are built around two players who are not known for their playmaking ability, so the offense needs a true floor general, not just a PG who can defend and hit 3's. Ideally, the Knicks PG would be able to facilitate, knock down the 3 and be a very good defender, but with the Melo/Amare/Chandler contracts, the likelihood of getting all those things out of their PG is unlikely. And if they have to choose, I think they should go with the offensive oriented PG because it's going to be near impossible to have an elite defense with Melo and Amare playing 40MPG. Instead, they should go with the Lakers formula of their recent championships and be a strong offense with good enough defense to get by in the playoffs IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 By the way, the PPG allowed is 21st in the NBA...96.7 PPG.It is now that you responded four days later My point is that we won games last year much worse off on defense because of the offensive prowess. We need a 1 guard to compete. He'd be inexpensive. Shot in the dark. Defending the perimeter is fruitless if you can't score efficiently! Not with Melo and Amar'e guarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 24, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 My point is, I'm not really sure what a PG will do if you're not getting an elite one (or someone that's very good). What non-elite PG (or non-all star) will take the ball out of Melo and Amare's hands? Both demand it, and I'm not so sure they will want to play any other way, so why not try and become a much better defensive team, one that defends the three, rebounds better, and contests shots better? Harris just isn't that guy you're looking for, anyway. I'm not even sure Baron Davis will make THAT big of an impact. If I'm a GM with both of my all-star players playing just on the offensive end of the court, I'm stacking defenders around them, and after that, I'll find a way to make the offense work, even if it means new coaching, or dealing Amare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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