DunkinDerozan Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 With the Knicks at 6-10 so far this season, I want to know: Do Knicks fans feel that the trade was a good idea, or should they have just kept their core of players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Melo just made a bad impulse decision IMO. Denver was a better, more stable situation where he was with a potential contender with room for improvement. Its almost as if after the whole Big 3 thing happened and all the attention was on those guys who were drafted with him, he wanted to be in a similar spotlight. Edited January 22, 2012 by Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Melo just made a bad impulse decision IMO. Denver was a better, more stable situation where he was with a potential contender with room for improvement. Its almost as if after the whole Big 3 thing happened and all the attention was on those guys who were drafted with him, he wanted to be in a similar spotlight.He wanted to play in New York, where he was born, at the Mecca of basketball. That's why he chose the Knicks. He obviously wanted something different. I think that the trade was worth it, the Knicks management has done a poor job with a supporting cast following the trade. I still support the decision. If they could've kept Felton & traded Fields it would've been a totally different outcome, I truly feel that. Players like Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, etc. probably don't even belong on an NBA roster. They are really not good. Edited January 22, 2012 by JYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Wasn't Landry Fields the next big thing in the NBA last year? I thought he was pretty good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Wasn't Landry Fields the next big thing in the NBA last year? I thought he was pretty good? Same here? Since when does he not belong on an NBA roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 You don't watch the games, obviously. Landry Fields isn't a good player. He would be alright coming off the bench playing a few minutes on a good team. To be your starting 2 guard is a joke. As a matter of fact, this team's backcourt is so bad it's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 You don't watch the games, obviously. Landry Fields isn't a good player. He would be alright coming off the bench playing a few minutes on a good team. To be your starting 2 guard is a joke. As a matter of fact, this team's backcourt is so bad it's ridiculous. Actually yeah, I've only watched one Knick game this year and it was the season opener. I don't even remember Fields which probably means he didn't do anything. Point taken. What do you think of Iman Shumpert for the future of this team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Either way, I definitely stick with what I said earlier. Wrong decision at the end of the day because he wanted the spotlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Fields and Douglas def belong on NBA rosters, it's the coaching, I don't regret the trade. The offense is just as ineffective as when Melo is not on the court as when he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I don't get it, Fields was a top 4-5 rookie last season but now he doesn't even belong on an NBA roster? Jeez what made him drop off so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Talent is not a problem for this team, coaching is. No reason this can't be a 50 win team as constructed (in an 82 game season). Knicks made the right choice, you always take quality over quantity in this league. This team needs a coach who can get Melo and Amare to buy into basic defensive principles, and how to play in a structured half court offense, instead of going one on one more often. D'Antoni's answer to everything is "we need more spacing" or "guys just aren't comfortable". dude is an absolute meatball and should go coach in Europe, he has no business coaching an NBA team. Also Amare is playing like shit, think it is time to start running some more pick and rolls maybe? Smh. Edited January 22, 2012 by Check my Stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 You don't watch the games, obviously. Landry Fields isn't a good player.Landry Fields is a high IQ player who does the little things and plays tremendously well off the ball. This is all rendered irrelevant when Melo is in an iso scheme so often and the ball isn't moving on offense. Ball movement and high tempo is crucial to Landry Fields being a productive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 The offense is just as ineffective as when Melo is not on the court as when he is.I actually thought the offense was great last night when Melo wasn't out there. There was a ton of movement, guys were cutting and slashing to the basket, drive and kicks were used.. I thought things were going real well. Then Melo would come in, get the ball, and the movement would stop. An iso would come, a missed jumper would turn into a long rebound the other way and we'd be down points. Just what I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I actually thought the offense was great last night when Melo wasn't out there. There was a ton of movement, guys were cutting and slashing to the basket, drive and kicks were used.. I thought things were going real well. Then Melo would come in, get the ball, and the movement would stop. An iso would come, a missed jumper would turn into a long rebound the other way and we'd be down points. Just what I saw.That was honestly one game and I agree, but you also have to take into account guys were actually hitting their jumpshots last night which we haven't seen since last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 That was honestly one game and I agree, but you also have to take into account guys were actually hitting their jumpshots last night which we haven't seen since last year...Yup, that's true.. but everyone's gotta have confidence in one another that they'll drop and continue to swing the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Yup, that's true.. but everyone's gotta have confidence in one another that they'll drop and continue to swing the ballYeah we def can't run the offense through Melo, especially in this system I'm sure we can make it work but he can't be the first or even second guy on some occasions to touch the ball, I'm fine with him having his iso's, that is his game, but you can't do your iso with 16 seconds on the clock. Just cross your fingers and hope Baron changes something...Melo is a scorer, that is all he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 The Knicks are just an awful mismatch of talent and coaching. They have a roster built to be a slower halfcourt team, but they have a coach that doesn't preach defense and promotes an uptempo offense. They have a frontcourt that can demand double teams and a lot of attention inside 18ft, but don't have the 3pt shooters to make defenses pay for that attention. The team has no true PG and a SG that is ineffective with the ball in his hands, so there really is no choice but to run a bunch of Melo/Amare iso's. You can't expect Melo or Amare to change their style of play after 7-8 years of playing this way. The Knicks knew what they were getting with both of them. It is management's responsibility to build the right team around them, from role players to coaches. Melo isn't LeBron and Amare isn't Wade. Building this team will be much more difficult than just putting a few stars together and letting everything work out. The Knicks' duo just aren't that caliber of players. However, they are supremely talented, and you can build a contender around them. I don't know if they would have been able to do the same with the roster they had before the trade. Remember...they had a little hot streak last season, but besides that they were a below .500 club and clearly had a number of flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 The Knicks are just an awful mismatch of talent and coaching. They have a roster built to be a slower halfcourt team, but they have a coach that doesn't preach defense and promotes an uptempo offense. They have a frontcourt that can demand double teams and a lot of attention inside 18ft, but don't have the 3pt shooters to make defenses pay for that attention. The team has no true PG and a SG that is ineffective with the ball in his hands, so there really is no choice but to run a bunch of Melo/Amare iso's. You can't expect Melo or Amare to change their style of play after 7-8 years of playing this way. The Knicks knew what they were getting with both of them. It is management's responsibility to build the right team around them, from role players to coaches. Melo isn't LeBron and Amare isn't Wade. Building this team will be much more difficult than just putting a few stars together and letting everything work out. The Knicks' duo just aren't that caliber of players. However, they are supremely talented, and you can build a contender around them. I don't know if they would have been able to do the same with the roster they had before the trade. Remember...they had a little hot streak last season, but besides that they were a below .500 club and clearly had a number of flaws.Great post lol I agree about 95% which is prolly the most I've ever agreed with you which is probably bad on my part tho. Good analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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