Teletopez Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Let me explain this to you for the thirtieth time, but this time through an analogy, because otherwise you're going to fail miserably in comprehending it like all the other times I've tried. The pen is invented. The pen is used for its intended function over an extended period of time, being continuously manufactured and distributed and used properly. Suddenly, a group of corrupt individuals either a) discover the pen and decide to use it as a weapon or b) want to do damage and come across the pen as a way of fulfilling that will. Whether it's the first or the second circumstance, is that really the inventor's fault? True Islam has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the morons that are causing havoc in the world. It's not extremism. It's stupidity. Edited March 13, 2012 by Brooklyn Bound 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) What don't you understand about all these people doing these awful things IN THE NAME of Islam? So whether we like it or not, yeah, it does have something to do with it. How many fake Muslims are there then? Because the number must be astounding at this point. Edited March 13, 2012 by Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teletopez Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) What don't you understand about all these people doing these awful things IN THE NAME of Islam? So whether we like it or not, yeah, it does have something to do with it...... How does this change anything? So because they aren't capable of understanding Islam (much like you guys aren't capable of understanding the point I repeatedly stress), Islam is at fault? Islam doesn't condone mistreating women. It doesn't condone taking innocent lives. It doesn't condone forcing people into the religion. Yet, Islam is the problem? How many fake Muslims are there then? Because the number must be astounding at this point.I wouldn't call them, "fake Muslims," but yes, the number is probably astounding. Islam isn't the problem, though. Edited March 13, 2012 by Brooklyn Bound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Can you interpret that verse for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teletopez Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Oh, I must have never mentioned the media's obsession with exploring the Qur'an and thinking they're qualified to interpret random verses when 1) they're completely out of context and 2) when they're translated, interfering with the meaning of the verses. Relating to his comments, I want to tell you a story about the Battle of Uhud.Muhammad received a letter from his uncle ‘Abbas warning him that the Meccan armyconsisting of 3,000 men, 200 horses and 3,000 camels, was setting off to attack Medinahin order to annihilate the entire Muslim community. Allah assured Muhammad that theMeccan army would be terrified, that Allah “would put terror into the hearts of theunbelievers” (Quran 3:151). Remember, unbelievers are the idol worshipping Meccans.Muhammad gathered an army of 700 to defend their religion of Islam, submission toGod. Before the battle, Muhammad consulted his companions, sent a group of youngboys back home to their mothers and prayed the dawn prayer. Against all odds theMuslim community survived. The Meccan Quraysh counted 22 dead out of 3,000. TheMuslims lost 72. Muhammad himself was injured. Among the dead was Hamzah. TheQuraysh mutilated his body. The Prophet was angered but a revelation came to him toremain patient so the Muslims were forbidden to ever mutilate. The Prophet alsoforbade any injury to the enemy’s face. There lay injured was a man not known to beMuslim. Before he died on the plain, he told the Prophet he fought for the sake of Islam.For years later he became known as the man who entered Paradise without ever prayingone of the five daily prayers. Another dead, was a learned Rabbi, Mukhayriq, of theJewish clan of Tha’laban, who had summoned his people to keep their pact with theProphet and to join him in fighting the idolaters. Muhammad prayed a funeral prayer foreach of the 72 dead. (4)I hope this makes it clear to you how important it is to put verses from the Quran in theircontext.Link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teletopez Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) So no, I won't interpret it for you. I'll leave it to people who are actually qualified to do that. FYI: FOX News reporters aren't those people. Edited March 13, 2012 by Brooklyn Bound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) I'm just asking because clearly I found a verse that had something to do with violence and wanted someone who knows more than I do to clear it up for me. Wouldn't unbelievers consist of just about any other religion? Edited March 13, 2012 by Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 <br style="color: rgb(18, 18, 18); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 16px; text-align: left; ">009.030 - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! Again, you guys know more than I do so what exactly does this verse mean as well?For where I'm getting these verses:http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teletopez Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 If I'm not mistaken, that is talking about the hereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Greatness Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Supposedly the emo teens consented to the stoning in an extreme case of self-harm. Kids are getting really inventive with suicide nowadays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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