Owner Real Deal Posted May 11, 2012 Owner Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 The Miami Heat and Indiana Pacers won't play each other in the Eastern Conference semifinals until Sunday afternoon, but Indiana coach Frank Vogel is wasting no time in taking shots at the Heat. "They are the biggest flopping team in the NBA," Vogel told reporters at Thursday's practice in Indianapolis. "It'll be very interesting (to see) how the referees officiate the series and how much flopping they reward.""Every drive to the basket, they have guys not making a play on the ball, but sliding in front of drivers," Vogel said. "Oftentimes they're falling down even before contact is even being made. It'll be interesting to see how the series is officiated."http://espn.go.com/nba/conversations/_/id/7918758/2012-nba-playoffs-indiana-pacers-coach-frank-vogel-says-miami-heat-biggest-floppers-league Uh oh, shots fired! Disagree, though...the Clippers are the biggest flopping team in the league, but Miami is probably second. LeBron Heat in five games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Lol, absolutely smart move to talk shit to a team who's known to go into spurts of boredom and unmotivated play when they know they're better than the team they're playing against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 What did Vogel accomplish by saying that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 id rather bet on Indy winning the Series, bigger payout. and more depth on tha team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Indy will win this series, youll see. Hibber is a beast, Granger will lock up Lebron, and then they got Collison whos gonna run wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 What did Vogel accomplish by saying that?Puts the officials on notice and increases the media outrage when flops are undoubtedly rewarded, which will put even more pressure on the officials to let the flops go. tl;dr helps some of the flops go unrewarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 What did Vogel accomplish by saying that? He gained my respect. Nothing better than a little shit talking before the series. I agree with Brandon though, the Clips reign supreme when it comes to flopping even though I've seen my share of shameful flopping from the Heat this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Puts the officials on notice and increases the media outrage when flops are undoubtedly rewarded, which will put even more pressure on the officials to let the flops go. tl;dr helps some of the flops go unrewardedI highly doubt the officials give a damn. There has been flopping all year long, they won't all of a sudden stop calling fouls because something looks wrong. Then it just gets to the point where actual fouls won't be getting called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I highly doubt the officials give a damn. There has been flopping all year long, they won't all of a sudden stop calling fouls because something looks wrong. Then it just gets to the point where actual fouls won't be getting called.Public scrutiny of officials will put them under a microscope and everyone, league included, will be paying more attention. I highly doubt they won't care, not with a job on the line. This drew attention to the flopping, like it or not. Vogel could have saved the team a few phantom fouls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I actually think that public scrutiny of officials gets you a nice fine from David Stern. I don't recall a time where refs change the way they officiate after people complain. It all depends on what the refs see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Yes, there could be a fine if it's a coach saying it.. Not the media covering the series, as I said earlier.. PTI, around te horn, first take, papers, twitter, etc etc.. If they're talking, it will be heard. This will have them looking harder at flops. Aka what they see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I just don't think its possible to stop "flops" entirely. The refs see what they see, no man calls a foul just for the fun of it. If they really want to stop then they should only call clear fouls such as slapping someone across a body part or a shot to the head, but that would just take away from fouls such as blocks and charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 You're crazy if you think the NBA/refs aren't going to take public scrutiny into consideration. I'm sure they go back and look at tapes just like everyone else. I don't like this move by Vogel to be honest. If the Heat use this as bulletin board material this could be a sweep. High risk, low reward. But I guess for them to have a chance they have to take any and every risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Either way, its a horrible idea to give a team like the Heat bulletin board material. Vogel actually took a page right out of the Phil Jackson coaching book too. That's a classic PJax move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 Ain't like Vogel is lying. Just gotta hope the NBA has seen this and the refs whistle the game a tad better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 There was a potential flop call earlier when West bumped Miller to get his shot away.. who then went down, West knocked down the shot and no foul was called. Apart from that I've not noticed that much! Though I think that Barbosa move at the end wasn't a charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 David Stern's interview was interesting http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/5/13/3018175/david-stern-flopping-nba-video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Either way, its a horrible idea to give a team like the Heat bulletin board material. Vogel actually took a page right out of the Phil Jackson coaching book too. That's a classic PJax move.i think bulletin board material is the last thing a team needs to worry about when facing the heat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 There was a potential flop call earlier when West bumped Miller to get his shot away.. who then went down, West knocked down the shot and no foul was called. Apart from that I've not noticed that much! Though I think that Barbosa move at the end wasn't a charge. Yeah Miller flopped there, the refs let them play the whole game though because David West was getting extremely physical on the picks and nothing was being called. Good game though, should be a real competitive series if this keeps up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Kobe to floppers: Where are your balls at? "There's a difference [between taking a charge and flopping]. We all know what flopping is when we see it," Bryant said. "The stuff that you see is where guys aren't really getting hit at all and are just flailing around like a fish out of water. That's kind of like, where are your balls at?" http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7935166/2012-nba-playoffs-los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-cites-injury-risk-drawing-charges Edited May 17, 2012 by Makaveli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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