NomarFachix Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Anyone else been following this situation? The NBAPA is arguing that a player who is waived and does not negotiate a new contract, but rather is claimed and continues with his old contract, should be treated the same as a player who is traded and retains their bird rights. This would allow the Knicks to re-sign both Lin and Novak to max allowable length contracts for players of their tenure in the league, and would open up the ability to sign other players with their MLE and mini-MLE. It would allow us to chase Felton/Hinrich/Kidd/Miller/Dragic etc as well as some other bench pieces.. to be quite honest, most of the Knicks success next year can ride on the outcome of this. Billy Hunter: 'Bird and Early Bird rights are among the most valuable rights that players have under the [collective bargaining agreement]. These rights simply cannot be extinguished in the absence of an affirmative decision by a player to select a team through free agency. We will ask the arbitrator to resolve this dispute on an expedited basis.' Anyone have any opinions on whether the twosome should retain their Bird Rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 No idea how this will go down, but do agree the Knicks future does hinge partially on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I can understand the rational behind the NBPA's logic since they really didn't have any real say in the matter. If a player is able to retain his Bird rights when traded to another team, couldn't you argue that they should retain them when they are waived and picked up? I certainly agree with the logic since it isn't like they are a free agent choosing to go to another team. They don't have any real control over being waived. However, I have to wonder how much of this is because of the high profile situation. If it wasn't Jeremy Lin and the New York Knicks, how big of a deal would this really be? Nobody is making a big deal about JJ Hickson or Chauncey Billups not having Bird rights anymore (although they are mentioned briefly near the bottom of the article). I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but if Lin was picked up by, say, Minnesota (or some other small market team like that) and played the exact same way as he did with the Knicks, would this still be a major issue? It has also been a rule in place basically forever. If you were waived you lose your rights. It has been like this for as long as they've been a part of the CBA, at least as far as I know. It specifically states in the CBA, a CBA that the NBPA signed off on less half a year ago, that when a player is waived they lose their Bird rights. Really though, I can see both sides of the argument and really don't care either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 From the CBA: “Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent” means a Veteran Free Agent who, prior to becoming a Veteran Free Agent, played under one or more Player Contracts covering some or all of each of the two (2) preceding Seasons, and who either exclusively played with his Prior Team during such two Seasons, or, if he played for more than one Team during such period, changed Teams only (i) by means of trade, or (ii) by signing with his Prior Team during the first of the two (2) Seasons. Traded Player” means a player whose Player Contract is assigned by one Team to another Team other than by means of the NBA waiver procedure Don't see how an arbirtator would rule in favour of the NBPA when it is clearly written like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Poppa Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Hope they stay around. wanna see em both here next yurr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yessssaaaasssssasssasss this went throughhhhhhhhhhhhh What an awesome day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 We will now be able to retain Lin and Novak and still have the MLE to chase a baller. This is my favorite June 22nd ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Find it hard to imagine New York using the full MLE. I think they end up using 3mill on a player to avoid the luxury tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 WOW. Great news! Any chance Nash could sign for MLE?? probably not, right??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Well, if we use more than 3M of the MLE, we enter a hard cap and can't sign anyone for any reason all year.. Not even a vet min or increase salary via trade. But it might be enough for JR lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Knick Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 This is awesome. I cannot wait to see both of em back in NYC next year. I hope we add someone like Nash, or bring Felton back as someone stated earlier. Who do you guys ideally want to pick up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Well, if we use more than 3M of the MLE, we enter a hard cap and can't sign anyone for any reason all year.. Not even a vet min or increase salary via trade. But it might be enough for JR lolIf it came down to JR Smith or Steve Nash, I actually think Smith is more valuable. But it's tough to say...Only reason I say that is because Nash is 38, and he's going to slow down eventually. Plus, with Shumpert out, we'd really be limited athletically, especially in the backcourt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Nash wouldn't sign for 3 mil tho imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Nash or Ray Ray LET'S GO!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 why would you need nash when you have lin?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 If they can talk J.R. into accepting his option, we'd retain Lin/Novak/Fields on Early Bird and keep J.R., with the MLE to chase a guy like Kidd or Andre Miller. That would be HUGE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Why am I not surprised this worked in New York's favour.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Because that judge is a huuuuuuuuge Knicks fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 NBA is appealing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Only have until July 1st, not sure it'll go down by then. Even if so, this stuff is rarely overturned. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Hopefully doesn't get overturned. Knicks need Lin/Novak next year to be any good...Knicks lacked many three point shooters (Fields, Shumpert, Smith so inconsistent on their shooting) Edited June 24, 2012 by JYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't want Felton, but I'd like us to chase Kidd and Nash, no matter how realistic. Maybe Grant Hill, too. He's been linked to us the past few seasons, and Crawford might hit the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't want Felton, but I'd like us to chase Kidd and Nash, no matter how realistic. Maybe Grant Hill, too. He's been linked to us the past few seasons, and Crawford might hit the marketAgreed, i don't think Felton would work anyway on this team he was great in the P&R with Amar'e but aside from that..if all else failed im not sure what i'd want more a SG or PG, I want Nash or Ray Ray right now, I think both would be great fits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Oh hell yeah, if sir Shuttlesworth would consider us we'd have to pull the trigger. I'm not sure Nash would settle for ~3M though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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