USADA: Lance to get life ban, lose 7 titles

[Jesse The Body]

But why take it at all? If he was a true athlete he would have never took it. He would have told his doctor to get lost if he was true at heart and a competitor like he claims to be.

[NomarFachix]

But why take it at all? If he was a true athlete he would have never took it. He would have told his doctor to get lost if he was true at heart and a competitor like he claims to be.

 

To be fair to Armstrong, he was legally prescribed EPO while recovering from Cancer and trace amounts may have been present in his system when he returned to professional cycling.

 

EPO replenishes red blood cell counts. Paramount after years of chemotherapy treatment. I don't think being true at heart/a competitor and telling your doctor to get lost is the best cancer recovery treatment plan.

Edited August 26, 2012 by iMan

[EastCoastNiner]

I guess you want to ignore all of the eye-witness testimonies? Or, are you going to try and claim that they are all doing it for personal reasons?

 

He's a cheat, and he was using EPO not only for his cancer treatment. He's been a fraud his entire career, and everyone except a very few select people seem to realize that. I have yet to read articles from people very entrenched in cycling that honestly believe Lance is/was clean.

[NomarFachix]

I guess you want to ignore all of the eye-witness testimonies? Or, are you going to try and claim that they are all doing it for personal reasons?

 

He's a cheat, and he was using EPO not only for his cancer treatment. He's been a fraud his entire career, and everyone except a very few select people seem to realize that. I have yet to read articles from people very entrenched in cycling that honestly believe Lance is/was clean.

How many of his 500+ tests did he fail after his cancer treatment was complete?

 

I'll wait.

[EastCoastNiner]

How many of his 500+ tests did he fail after his cancer treatment was complete?

 

I'll wait.

 

He's had 2005 and 2009 samples that have risen similar suspicion to the USADA and other organizations. If you're entire argument is going to hinge on him using EPO years after he went in complete remission (about a year after), then I have nothing else to say.

 

I'm guessing you also believe his live strong "charity" has been a great success and donated a large percentage of the collected money to cancer research?

[Jesse The Body]

EPO replenishes red blood cell counts. Paramount after years of chemotherapy treatment. I don't think being true at heart/a competitor and telling your doctor to get lost is the best cancer recovery treatment plan.

 

 

Oh I see, but there is other option to take then chemotherapy. Could it be that his cancer was not as threating as it seemed and his doctor which is very smart, since he is a damn doctor, so maybe they probably discussed something like this to take chemo, so they could get him on the roids?

 

 

Again I no little about Armstrong and the type of cancer he had, I'm just guessing and wondering the case.

[EastCoastNiner]

I'll address more later as I'm watching the 49er's time and don't have time to go look at more sources and articles right now.

[NomarFachix]

How many of his 500+ tests did he fail after his cancer treatment was complete?

 

I'll wait.

[NomarFachix]

Oh I see, but there is other option to take then chemotherapy. Could it be that his cancer was not as threating as it seemed and his doctor which is very smart, since he is a damn doctor, so maybe they probably discussed something like this to take chemo, so they could get him on the roids?

 

I can't. I just can't.

[Jesse The Body]

I can't. I just can't.

 

 

You cannot wait? Do you mean you do not see it happening what I've said?

[NomarFachix]

You just proposed that a man (and his doctor) faked the severity of his life threatening cancer so that he could take EPO for a few months for racing. lol. I am respectfully bowing out of this conversation with you.

[Jesse The Body]

You just proposed that a man (and his doctor) faked the severity of his life threatening cancer so that he could take EPO for a few months for racing. lol. I am respectfully bowing out of this conversation with you.

 

Okay I didn't say he didn't have cancer, I just said maybe it wasn't one of those life threatening cancers? And who knows what goes on behind closes doors bro. You cannot think people are perfect come on man.

[NomarFachix]

Okay I didn't say he didn't have cancer, I just said maybe it wasn't one of those life threatening cancers?

AKA faked the severity, which is exactly what I posted above.

 

This conversation has reach a whole new threshold of ignorant. I have to go.

[Lkr]

Okay I didn't say he didn't have cancer, I just said maybe it wasn't one of those life threatening cancers? And who knows what goes on behind closes doors bro. You cannot think people are perfect come on man.

you do realize that when you have cancer, there is much more than one doctor doing everything? they would have also had to fool radiologists, nurses, people that handle paperwork, insurance companies, etc

[Jesse The Body]

you do realize that when you have cancer, there is much more than one doctor doing everything? they would have also had to fool radiologists, nurses, people that handle paperwork, insurance companies, etc

 

 

Yes I am aware of that, and all that stuff is possible. There have been many incidence where millions people got fooled so 20-30 people getting fooled is not a problem. But I don't care but this, I was just throw my 'weird, what if' idea out there that's all. No need to go all crazy now.

[EastCoastNiner]

you do realize that when you have cancer, there is much more than one doctor doing everything? they would have also had to fool radiologists, nurses, people that handle paperwork, insurance companies, etc

 

Marion Jones passed many tests as well.

 

He's a fraud, and the amount of evidence against him is overwhelming.

 

 

Not to mention his "charity" is an even bigger sham than Lance himself is.

[Lkr]

Marion Jones passed many tests as well.

 

He's a fraud, and the amount of evidence against him is overwhelming.

 

 

Not to mention his "charity" is an even bigger sham than Lance himself is.

if you can prove Lance cheated, that is great, I will believe it. if you can't, I don't see any reason to believe it. at the end of the day, i don't give a shit if he used PEDs. if he did cheat, he doesn't deserve his titles. if he didn't cheat, and their is no concrete proof that he cheated, he deserves to keep them. if one day it is discovered he cheated, then by all means, revoke his titles. it is just as effective to take them away then as it is now. retroactive punishments that come years late rather than weeks or months don't really sink in on public opinion. i don't know many people who don't refer to reggie bush as a heisman trophy winner, even if espn will clarify that he was a heisman trophy winner but then had the award stripped due to being ineligible, and did not deserve it - it still gets the point across that he was a heisman trophy winner.

[NomarFachix]

Marion Jones passed many tests as well.

and didn't have her medals taken away until she admitted she committed perjury and used the clear. Awful comparison.

[EastCoastNiner]

and didn't have her medals taken away until she admitted she committed perjury and used the clear. Awful comparison.

 

That's not my point.

 

I've said I agree that it's a witch-hunt in many ways, but I do think he is guilty of doping. I don't think the USADA has the right to do what they are doing, but I do think they are correct in that Lance cheated.

 

And, the Marion Jones comparison is that she had never actually failed a test either. She admitted to using them in court though.

[Oliver P]

It is purely and simply preposterous and outrageous that they stripped Armstrong of his seven Tour de France titles. But not because Lance didn't take any drugs.. but because everybody else did.

 

Let's face it, doping is a huge part of today's sports. Now I am not saying that every professional athlete in every sport take drugs (although I ask myself that question sometimes..) but there is one thing I know for sure, it's that there are at least two sports in which EVERY single professional athlete uses doping drugs : bodybuilding and cycling.

 

I have a friend who's an excellent cyclist, he was in a cycling club when he was a teen and he told me that most everyone used doping drugs. Important thing to consider : those kids were all about 15 ! My friend was one of the few who did not take drugs and of course he, as well as the few other ones who did not use drugs, simply did not stand a chance against the other kids..

 

One time, during a race, most of the kids took the wrong way and lost precious time, my friend did not make that mistake and so he should have won easily but the kids who took drugs managed to catch up with him and finished the race ahead of him.. Scary.

 

So anyway if most KIDS in a little cycling club already take doping drugs, you can be 100% sure that EVERY single professional cyclist takes drugs.

 

Here's how it goes in cycling when you wanna be a professional : every athlete has his personal doctors and they FORCE them to take drugs ; And teach them how to pass drug tests. If you want to stay clean you'll just have to get back home. Cyclists simply HAVE NO CHOICE at all.

 

Those anti doping agencies are absolute jokes and serve no purpose at all. It just seems that they pick some cyclists at random sometimes, just to bother them and show the world that they both serve a purpose and that most of cycling is still clean.. Which is a huge lie. It's time to stop with all this hipocrisy and tell the truth about cycling and doping once and for all. They should even officially legalize doping for that sport for that matter, that wouldn't make any difference except that things would be clearer at least.

 

The sad thing in that story is that they're gonna strip Armstrong of his titles to give them to someone who also used doping drugs.. And most people who have no clue of what's going in this sport will believe that Lance was a dirty person and a cheater... Whereas he was truly a great champion (he took drugs but, again, everyone else did so he didn't have a particular advantage on anyone and beat everybody, so yeah that's a great champion to me).

 

Preposterous. Simply preposterous.