Built Ford Tough Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 He is making Andrea Bargnani look like an efficient scorer ffs. Just look at this. He is averaging 19.6 ppg on 19.3 fga He is shooting 4 3's a game, yet shoots worse than DeMar from 3 at 23%. The only player with a worse TS% on the team is Linas Kleiza. Gay has the worst OWS on the team at -0.7. His total win share contribution is 0.1, which ties him with the likes of, once again, Linas Kleiza for the 2nd worst mark on the team. Only Mikael Pietrus has contributed less win shares at an even 0. Kleiza and Pietrus haven't played for about 40 games now. His FG% is 38%, yet his USG% is 30%, far and away the highest on the team. He had had 1 game where he has shot 50% from the floor, and that was his first game as a Raptor where he shot 8/16. He has had 7 games shooting under 40% and 4 of those he was under 30%. Honestly, through 16 games as a Raptor, the only thing seperating Gay from Bargnani is that Gay is averaging 6.5 boards and 2.4 steals. So how much longer before Gay gets heat for his shitty play? Or will the excuses keep on flowing because he's hit a couple of game winners? PS: Those games where Gay hit the 3 game winners (Knicks, Pacers and Nuggets) he shot a combined 31.7% (19/60). So, in other words, he doesn't play like garbage Toronto wins these games by 8+ points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Hes obviously not a 1st option type of player. He can hit big shots and is a good option in the clutch, but hes better served as a sidekick type of player. Personally I think he would fit great on the Lakers, he would be the perfect compliment SF to Kobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Yeah he's awful. Unbelievable BC wants to sign him to an extension already. Not only are you locked into that contract but he's playing terrible basketball. This trade just looks worse by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Built Ford Tough Posted March 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Hes obviously not a 1st option type of player. He can hit big shots and is a good option in the clutch, but hes better served as a sidekick type of player. Personally I think he would fit great on the Lakers, he would be the perfect compliment SF to Kobe. Not really. He is brutal at spotting up. He has been shooting 19% or something like that on spots since coming to Toronto. His 3 point shot has dropped from 35-39% pre-shoulder injury to mid-low 20% since then. I honestly think he may be damaged goods in that shoulder because I've never seen such a dramatic drop off in the prime of a guy's career.He's a limited playmaker so he doesn't help in that regard either. In order to get the most out of him you'd need to take the ball out of Nash's hands even more and also Kobe's a bit as well. That is the problem with Gay, though. Like you said, he isn't a first option but he doesn't do the things that you need from a 2nd/3rd option. He has the game of a first option player (and, the contract of a franchise player) but the talent of a 2nd/3rd option. It just doesn't work and we saw that in Memphis after Randolph and the emergence of Gasol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Your right. The Toronto media has been sucking his dick since he got here and he has struggled a lot. Hes putting up numbers, but its because hes shooting SO much. It is nice that Demar has been getting less attention though. Hes looked better not being the #1 option. I honestly havent watched the past 5 or 6 games or so because of the Leafs and being on vacation so i cant judge how its been lately. Im going to give him a free pass for the rest of the season because were not playing for anything any more tbh. If hes this bad next season though, thats when im going to be mad and when the team will be [expletive]ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I share your concerns about his shoulder - he was a good 3 point shooter, not mediocre, good (a shade under 40% FFS!) just a few years ago. His shot selection is part of a bigger issue on this team. For whatever reason, Casey has no issue with guys like Alan Anderson and Rudy Gay playing outside of themselves, but as soon as Val or Ross puts up 2 questionable shots they get yanked. Anderson is ridiculous and makes me more angry than any player I've ever seen, and Gay, for whatever reason, sees pulling up from 17 feet with a guy right on him as a better option than just throwing it back out and starting again. The reality is, Casey has ruined Lowry. He is our best player and rather than run sets through him, we run Rudy Gay and Demar Derozan isolations on the wing. Alan Anderson has no filter, he's Mike James without shot making ability. The offense shouldn't run through Rudy - he is being miscast, and the blame has to fall squarely on the coach for putting his players in situations they are destined to fail in. Watch the next few games closely, everyone's body language sucks. Demar looked so pissed vs the Lakers when he basically got iced out of the game, Anderson was painfully oblivious, Gay looked like he was hardly engaged, and Lowry wouldn't even look Casey in the eye. I would be absolutely shocked if Casey was here next year. I can't believe I was an advocate of his just a few months ago. He's a total jackass. Why has the media not asked him for an explanation? That's literally all I want, I want to know WHY there is no accountability on this team, like he has claimed there would be from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 lmfao how things have changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I share your concerns about his shoulder - he was a good 3 point shooter, not mediocre, good (a shade under 40% FFS!) just a few years ago. His shot selection is part of a bigger issue on this team. For whatever reason, Casey has no issue with guys like Alan Anderson and Rudy Gay playing outside of themselves, but as soon as Val or Ross puts up 2 questionable shots they get yanked. Anderson is ridiculous and makes me more angry than any player I've ever seen, and Gay, for whatever reason, sees pulling up from 17 feet with a guy right on him as a better option than just throwing it back out and starting again. The reality is, Casey has ruined Lowry. He is our best player and rather than run sets through him, we run Rudy Gay and Demar Derozan isolations on the wing. Alan Anderson has no filter, he's Mike James without shot making ability. The offense shouldn't run through Rudy - he is being miscast, and the blame has to fall squarely on the coach for putting his players in situations they are destined to fail in. Watch the next few games closely, everyone's body language sucks. Demar looked so pissed vs the Lakers when he basically got iced out of the game, Anderson was painfully oblivious, Gay looked like he was hardly engaged, and Lowry wouldn't even look Casey in the eye. I would be absolutely shocked if Casey was here next year. I can't believe I was an advocate of his just a few months ago. He's a total jackass. Why has the media not asked him for an explanation? That's literally all I want, I want to know WHY there is no accountability on this team, like he has claimed there would be from the start.I don't disagree with anything I said at this time. I think a big part of the Raptors improvements came through assistant coaching changed. I'm glad I knew almost 2 years ago Lowry was our best player! Also, I still hate Alan Anderson Edited November 10, 2014 by Check my Stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDerozan Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I don't disagree with anything I said at this time. I think a big part of the Raptors improvements came through assistant coaching changed. I'm glad I knew almost 2 years ago Lowry was our best player! Also, I still hate Alan Anderson you nailed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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