Warren2ThaG Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Who do you think it is?, I put other as a choice too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Josh Johnson...is just a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Josh Johnson. Throw Ricky Nolasco into that mix as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 JJ is up there with Lincecum..he doesn't get the credit because we are the Marlins but he has top 5 pitcher talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 JJ is up there with Lincecum.. Woah slow down there. Hes underrated, but nobody is even close to as good as Lincecum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 11-2 with a 2. something ERA is really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 11-2 with a 2. something ERA is really good.I know its really good. Win/Loss totals arent the best way of determining how good someone is. Dice-K was 18-3 last year with a 2 something ERA, does that mean hes on Lincecums level? Not even close. Lincecum gets a ridiculous amount of strikeouts, and has unhittable stuff. Nobody is as good as him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Matt Cain should be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I didn't mean he was as good as him, but they are in the same ballpark, Lincecum of course edges him because he had a streak of games where he pitched every inning and pretty much shout out his opponent. JJ, when healthy, has been a really good pitcher, he will probably leave us when we have to pay him because we are cheap, but then you will see his name mentioned in the top 5 more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted August 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Matt Cain should be here. Sorry , but we all know he's amazing and a top guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sorry , but we all know he's amazing and a top guy.Damn straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) I know its really good. Win/Loss totals arent the best way of determining how good someone is. Dice-K was 18-3 last year with a 2 something ERA, does that mean hes on Lincecums level? Not even close. Lincecum gets a ridiculous amount of strikeouts, and has unhittable stuff. Nobody is as good as him. Tim Lincincum is a very good pitcher, but for you to say he is clearly the best is stupid, and he is not the best pitcher in the MLB. Have him come to the AL East, and he can add at least 1.00+ to his ERA. He plays in the NL West for crying out loud. He is very good, and is one of the best, but there are better pitchers than him. Anyways, the answer is Edwin Jackson. Edited August 10, 2009 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Name the pitchers you think are better, ECN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Name the pitchers you think are better, ECN. Actually, now that I think about it, Tim Lincincum isn't even the best pitcher in his own divsion. Anyways, just the pitchers that I think are definitely better are: Roy HalladayJohan SantanaDan Harren And, strong cases can be made for Josh Beckett, Cliff Lee, C.C. Sabathia, and some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Actually, now that I think about it, Tim Lincincum isn't even the best pitcher in his own divsion. Anyways, just the pitchers that I think are definitely better are: Roy HalladayJohan SantanaDan Harren And, strong cases can be made for Josh Beckett, Cliff Lee, C.C. Sabathia, and some others.Halladay is getting old, and imo, Lincecum is better. The only real competition for him.Santana? Haren? He's like 11-7. Sure his team sucks, but the Giants sucked last season and Lincecum went 18-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Actually now that I think about it he might be a little overrated. Forgot that he pitches in the NL West. And just the national league in general. And the park he plays in. Halladay might be better. Haren is definitely not better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Actually now that I think about it he might be a little overrated. Forgot that he pitches in the NL West. And just the national league in general. And the park he plays in. Halladay might be better. Haren is definitely not better though. Dan Harren should have started the All-Star Game. Anyways, Roy Halladay is a work-horse, and has to pitch against three of the elite teams in the MLB, the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, and Tampa Bay Rays, all of whom are in the AL East. Johan Santana is still a very good pitcher. I'm not even going to say that Josh Beckett is better, but I could build a very good case for him, which would rely heavily on post-season performance, which is EXTREMELY important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Y'all will hop on the Timmy wagon after he beasts in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted August 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 NL West isn't even bad lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dan Harren should have started the All-Star Game. Anyways, Roy Halladay is a work-horse, and has to pitch against three of the elite teams in the MLB, the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, and Tampa Bay Rays, all of whom are in the AL East. Johan Santana is still a very good pitcher. I'm not even going to say that Josh Beckett is better, but I could build a very good case for him, which would rely heavily on post-season performance, which is EXTREMELY important.Haren was the best pitcher at the time of the all star game, he isnt anymore though. Hes sucked ever since then. And I agree with the postseason part with Beckett, I think its very important. He still has to do it in the regular season though. It seems like when he wants to he just turns it on, like the other night in New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) NL West isn't even bad lmao.Yeah they are besides the Dodgers there arent really anyone in the NLW that is good offensively. And if your comparing it to the Offenses in the AL east its no contest. Edited August 10, 2009 by kingfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I know that I use the whole, "Well, this team plays in the NL West" or "This player plays in the NL West" line a lot, and it may be a little unfair, but I do feel that it does make a huge difference. I know that Tim Lincincum is a very good pitcher, but I am interested in seeing how he would do facing the line-ups of the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox(when they aren't sucking dick), and the Tampa Bay Rays. Even Toronto and Baltimore have pretty good offenses, but I would just like to see how he would perform against the AL East in particular. And, I don't watch to nit-pick, but I just checked Tim Lincincum's "Game Log", and it does appear that he does worse against the better teams, which makes sense, but he didn't do too well against most of the contending teams except for the St. Louis Cardinals one night, and the Philadelphia Phillies last week. Again, I feel that he is one of the best pitchers, and maybe the best, but it's not clear cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yeah they are besides the Dodgers there arent really anyone in the NLW that is good offensively. And if your comparing it to the Offenses in the AL east its no contest. Rockies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Giants offense has been good lately like I've said on this site numerous times. Molina and Velez have been hot, Garko is starting to play well, Sanchez has been good, and Sandoval has been great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutrojan8 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yeah they are besides the Dodgers there arent really anyone in the NLW that is good offensively. And if your comparing it to the Offenses in the AL east its no contest.3rd in runs, 3rd in OPB, 2nd in slugging, 2nd in OPS. When will it get through yours and ECN's thick heads that the Rockies are legit? NL's best record by like 5 games, #1 in the wild card, and #2 in the wild card. Why does the NL West suck? Oh, the only reason they suck is because they play in a [expletive]ty division. If it's so [expletive]ty, why are those three teams so good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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