Top 50 NFL Players

[fish7718]

This is the top players, not the players with the most impact. Obviously Michael Roos, an OL doesn't have more impact than Calvin Johnson.

Just because you don't see the impact doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Having great linemen can win you a superbowl ask the giants.

[Flash]

Just because you don't see the impact doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Having great linemen can win you a superbowl ask the Patriots.

[Lkr]

Where is McNabb?

 

You have Warner in there.

Aaron Rodgers would come before McNabb

[Diesel]

This is the top players, not the players with the most impact. Obviously Michael Roos, an OL doesn't have more impact than Calvin Johnson.

 

Impacting the game should be the biggest factor when comparing players at different positions. And yeah I'd say a dominant OT like Roo's makes a bigger impact than a star WR like Calvin Johnson by the way. Eagles missed Tra Thomas for a game(and he's def not on Roo's caliber) and his backup allowed something like 6 sacks alone from Umenyiora as the Giants owned the Eagles. Just because Roo's doesn't catch the TD passes doesn't mean he impacts the game any less than Calvin Johnson. The game is won in the trenches and skill position players are some of the most easily replacable positions in the league.

[EastCoastNiner]

Impacting the game should be the biggest factor when comparing players at different positions. And yeah I'd say a dominant OT like Roo's makes a bigger impact than a star WR like Calvin Johnson by the way. Eagles missed Tra Thomas for a game(and he's def not on Roo's caliber) and his backup allowed something like 6 sacks alone from Umenyiora as the Giants owned the Eagles. Just because Roo's doesn't catch the TD passes doesn't mean he impacts the game any less than Calvin Johnson. The game is won in the trenches and skill position players are some of the most easily replacable positions in the league.

 

Having a great offensive-lineman is great, but no way do the best offensive-linemen effect a game like Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, and other great WR's do.

 

 

I get your point, but you chose a poor example to use.

[trutrojan8]

Just because you don't see the impact doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Having great linemen can win you a superbowl ask the giants.

That line came in great handy when they gave Eli .3 seconds to release the ball to David Tyree, who made an impact play.

 

And I actually agree with ECN for once. Sure, a great lineman could prevent a sack or two in the game, but they won't catch 10 passes for 150 yards and two touchdowns.

[Diesel]

And I actually agree with ECN for once. Sure, a great lineman could prevent a sack or two in the game, but they won't catch 10 passes for 150 yards and two touchdowns.

 

Dude you need to get your eyes out of the stat sheet. It isn't about getting a "sack" for one or two plays. It's about consistantly preventing pressure from being put on the QB and giving him ample time to make a play.

 

And I'm not arguing that any offensive tackle is better than any WR. A guy like Fitzgerald makes more of an impact than any of them and no WR averages 10 passes/150 yeards/2 TD every game. You'l be lucky to see one guy have a game like that a year while elite OT keep their QB's healthy and prevent more than just one or two sacks.

Edited August 18, 2009 by Diesel

[ChosenOne]

Very nice work I read a few of them, obviously we will disagree with some but for the most part the we think the same. Great work.

[trutrojan8]

Dude you need to get your eyes out of the stat sheet. It isn't about getting a "sack" for one or two plays. It's about consistantly preventing pressure from being put on the QB and giving him ample time to make a play.

 

And I'm not arguing that any offensive tackle is better than any WR. A guy like Fitzgerald makes more of an impact than any of them and no WR averages 10 passes/150 yeards/2 TD every game. You'l be lucky to see one guy have a game like that a year while elite OT keep their QB's healthy and prevent more than just one or two sacks.

Why would you put quotations around sack?

 

Also, I never said any wide receiver averages those numbers. But, if you are in an absolute shootout, would you rather have the guy who can bust the game open whenever he touches the ball, or someone blocking Jarvis Moss?

[fly3rs18]

we arent talking about just in a shootout. and offensive linemen are so much more important in the running game then the passing game. a great o-line can make a bad RB look good. some random backup RB with an amazing o-line would do better then peterson with a [expletive]ty line. we saw that with shaun alexander a few years back. he wasnt that good, but that o-line was great and made him look like the best RB in the league.

 

 

you cant say that a WR is more important then an OL and you cant say that an OL is more important then a WR. its comparing apples to oranges. both positions are incredibly important and they can succeed without the other position doing well

[trutrojan8]

we arent talking about just in a shootout. and offensive linemen are so much more important in the running game then the passing game. a great o-line can make a bad RB look good. some random backup RB with an amazing o-line would do better then peterson with a [expletive]ty line. we saw that with shaun alexander a few years back. he wasnt that good, but that o-line was great and made him look like the best RB in the league.

 

 

you cant say that a WR is more important then an OL and you cant say that an OL is more important then a WR. its comparing apples to oranges. both positions are incredibly important and they can succeed without the other position doing well

But back to my question. If any game is on the line, shootout or shutout, would you rather have someone who could score whenever they touch the ball, or someone blocking Gaines Adams?

Edited August 18, 2009 by trutrojan8

[EastCoastNiner]

Teams gameplan much more for a player like Randy Moss than they plan for an elite offensive-lineman.

 

 

I, by no means undervalue the value of a great offensive-lineman, but I will take the dynamic player that can change the game in one play.

[BasX]

Nice to see Heath get some due. Dude is amazing.

[The Great iBoldin]

Teams gameplan much more for a player like Randy Moss than they plan for an elite offensive-lineman.

 

 

I, by no means undervalue the value of a great offensive-lineman, but I will take the dynamic player that can change the game in one play.

 

Well in different ways you don't really center your gameplan around a left tackle like you would do to a receiver or runner, that's obviously a given.

 

But lots of teams will in fact gameplan around a line (not one certain lineman) in different ways. Shifting or balancing your 3 or 4 man fronts to overload a side, showing different packages, moving linebackers around - or motioning any defensive players around the line of scrimmage. You don't account for just one elite lineman, because any football mind realizes that an offensive line has to have an area of cohesiveness and interaction amongst them. It's extremely difficult for a guy to come in and recognize snap counts and all that jazz. I'm not a big mind on how lines work, so I can't really comment on how. I've never been a lineman.

 

It's only a given that a team will gameplan around a skill player. But that doesn't mean a good lineman doesn't provide just as much of an impact.

[EastCoastNiner]

Well in different ways you don't really center your gameplan around a left tackle like you would do to a receiver or runner, that's obviously a given.

 

But lots of teams will in fact gameplan around a line (not one certain lineman) in different ways. Shifting or balancing your 3 or 4 man fronts to overload a side, showing different packages, moving linebackers around - or motioning any defensive players around the line of scrimmage. You don't account for just one elite lineman, because any football mind realizes that an offensive line has to have an area of cohesiveness and interaction amongst them. It's extremely difficult for a guy to come in and recognize snap counts and all that jazz. I'm not a big mind on how lines work, so I can't really comment on how. I've never been a lineman.

 

It's only a given that a team will gameplan around a skill player. But that doesn't mean a good lineman doesn't provide just as much of an impact.

 

I agree with what you've said, but I think that having an explosive WR that can change the game in a matter of seconds on his own, has a little more value than an offensive line-man the majority of the time, but there are certainly times that I would take an offensive-lineman over a WR.