Obama Joker Poster Case

[Mike Hawk]

It was at the beginning of 2008 when the economy finally started losing jobs (since 2003), and it never slowed.

 

If someone was ready for a resolution within Obama's first year in office, that's unfortunate. You aren't going to pull a country as massive and important as the US out of debt that quickly, and it's always darkest before the dawn.

 

It also doesn't help that we're still spending for a war we have no reason spending for.

 

Well one of Obamas selling points I thought was that he would get out of Iraq right when he took office? I still dont know what we are doing over there. However, I can tell you that that selling point was highly and grossly misscalculated. Anyone with little war experience knows that this man was not saying the truth. You cant just pick up your things and pack in the timeframe he was proposing. But we are still in Iraq, Guantanomo is still open I dont know, have any of his selling points came true?

 

Also you have to realize with the tax thing. Yes the rich people will complain if they get taxed more. But do you know that that also means. That if I am a CEO running a company, I am having to pay higher taxes for workers, medical expenses and what not, I will not be hiring workers, and I will not be stimulating the economy. The CEO's are in the business to make a profit. A profitless business cannot survive, and if you tax the CEOs they will quickly lay people off and that is whats exactly happening now.

[Real Deal]

Haha, no, the CEO's are laying people off because they were dishonest to begin with, sneaking money under the table. We've covered that pre-Obama. We gave CEO's the money to recover, and they STILL spent it the wrong way...has absolutely nothing to do with raising taxes. Again, layoffs have been happening since the beginning of 2008.

 

And Obama isn't going to pull anyone out of the war. It's not his decision in the end, which is also why the health care reform is getting so much heat.

[Mike Hawk]

Haha, no, the CEO's are laying people off because they were dishonest to begin with, sneaking money under the table. We've covered that pre-Obama. We gave CEO's the money to recover, and they STILL spent it the wrong way...has absolutely nothing to do with raising taxes. Again, layoffs have been happening since the beginning of 2008.

 

And Obama isn't going to pull anyone out of the war. It's not his decision in the end, which is also why the health care reform is getting so much heat.

 

But Brandon those were his selling points. It would be like you saying, I am confident I will resseruct OTR again after we were hacked. Now if you didnt do it, a lot of people would dislike you.

 

and I am the biggest anti-Bailout guy. All those bailouts were worthless to me. If a company makes a decesion and fails, then let it fail. NO point in trying to revive it. I dont see people who invested into the stock market, getting any bailouts the ones who lost all their hard earned retirement money and their life savings. I agree the CEOs where corrupt, but what happens now when you tax them even more, there will be more greed and corruption. Obama is approaching this the wrong way, he needs to get to the bottom of the core of the problem and that is to let these companies to fail who made the wrong moves. Just look at GM Compared to Ford, I own a GM car by the way, and I wanted them to fail. Now look at Ford they took no government money, instead they battled the storm through their saved reserves. It is companies like Ford who are being punished by these bailouts the most, and as long as that is going on the country will not show signs of improving. The bailouts need to stop.

[Real Deal]

If GM were to go under completely, it would bump this country into a borderline depression.

 

And I can resurrect a website without any assistance, and without anyone stopping me from doing so. Obama has people to answer to.

[Mike Hawk]

If GM were to go under completely, it would bump this country into a borderline depression.

 

And I can resurrect a website without any assistance, and without anyone stopping me from doing so. Obama has people to answer to.

 

Well then let it go into a depression if thats what it takes. You cant expect to bail these people out for their mistakes continously it will just not work. Instead of spending 1 trillion on a bill, send a check to each person in the USA for 1 Million dollars I am sure they would appreciate it. These numbers we are talking about are not small.

 

If you fail a final miserably in a college course, you do not get to retake that final instead you have to retake that course again and build your knowledge from the ground up. Thats exactly what some of these companies need to do, we cannot continously have a country who makes no profit. It will not survive.

[Mike Hawk]

If GM were to go under completely, it would bump this country into a borderline depression.

 

And I can resurrect a website without any assistance, and without anyone stopping me from doing so. Obama has people to answer to.

 

Plus if he has people to answer to. I would have appreciated him saying that in his election run and being more realistic. The way I see Obama is, he is a guy who means to do good but he is not qualified enough to actually do good. I rather have someone who treats me like an Ahole but is after my best interests. Than someone who sports a fake smile and attitude but is putting a fork in your back. Some people need to face reality here.

[bigdog17k]

Plus if he has people to answer to. I would have appreciated him saying that in his election run and being more realistic. The way I see Obama is, he is a guy who means to do good but he is not qualified enough to actually do good. I rather have someone who treats me like an Ahole but is after my best interests. Than someone who sports a fake smile and attitude but is putting a fork in your back. Some people need to face reality here.

 

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[Real Deal]

Let the country go into a depression? What?

 

And it's a given that Obama has people to answer to. Checks and balances. The only time I saw a Congress not act on anything was when Bush decided to invade Iraq illegally.

[Mike Hawk]

Let the country go into a depression? What?

 

And it's a given that Obama has people to answer to. Checks and balances. The only time I saw a Congress not act on anything was when Bush decided to invade Iraq illegally.

 

Yes let it go into a depression. If you are freefalling then you are freefalling, minor fixes will not really help you. All these bailout packages have not helped us really things are not improving.

 

If it takes the country to go into depression in order for people to learn their lesson then it is a necessary course of action.

 

Can you justify punishing Ford then By giving GM a bailout because I sure cant.

[bigdog17k]

If the country is going into a depression you can't stop it, I guess you can delay it by trying to pump money into a failing economy...

[Real Deal]

You guys do realize that people burned their money to replace firewood during the winter, because firewood was too expensive...right?

 

Let the country go into a depression and see how quickly you'll be praying that we pull out of it. This minor recession is nothing compared to a real depression.

[Mike Hawk]

You guys do realize that people burned their money to replace firewood during the winter, because firewood was too expensive...right?

 

Let the country go into a depression and see how quickly you'll be praying that we pull out of it. This minor recession is nothing compared to a real depression.

 

Yes we do, and sometimes thats a necessary course of Action. I rather have a real depression if that is what it takes for people to realize that they need to stop [expletive]ing up.

Like I said justify to me how it is Fair for a company like Ford to compete against the New Government Backed General Motors?

 

What is that teaching other companies. Its okay if you [expletive] up and make mistakes, Mr. Obama will be there to give you a bailout. Its a flawed and failed system, you cant survive like that. The more you encourage it the worse things get.

[bigdog17k]

Well look at it, the Government has gained control of the banks, auto industry, and they want healthcare. How much longer before the Government has a stranglehold on everything in this country? Say good bye to freedom of choice.

[Mike Hawk]

Well look at it, the Government has gained control of the banks, auto industry, and they want healthcare. How much longer before the Government has a stranglehold on everything in this country? Say good bye to freedom of choice.

 

Dont worry Government control is good right??? We dont need to Compete, hell why do nurses and doctors have to fight to give us good care when they can just blow it off since they will be getting paid the same anyways.

Whats the point, I mean everything is ran by the government in the perfect world. WHy should I try, I am getting paid like everyone else in this perfect government controlled world. Why should I try and bust my [expletive], when I am still getting paid man. I mean I am getting paid the same as everyone else, its only an equal and fair world.

 

When you drag incentives away from people they get lazier, I am sure thats not a type of country you would want Brandon.

[OldChili]

Well look at it, the Government has gained control of the banks, auto industry, and they want healthcare. How much longer before the Government has a stranglehold on everything in this country? Say good bye to freedom of choice.

 

You're right. We should leave health care in the hands of those who care more about their profit at the end of the day rather than the well-being of their customers.

 

Dont worry Government control is good right??? We dont need to Compete, hell why do nurses and doctors have to fight to give us good care when they can just blow it off since they will be getting paid the same anyways.

Whats the point, I mean everything is ran by the government in the perfect world. WHy should I try, I am getting paid like everyone else in this perfect government controlled world. Why should I try and bust my [expletive], when I am still getting paid man. I mean I am getting paid the same as everyone else, its only an equal and fair world.

 

When you drag incentives away from people they get lazier, I am sure thats not a type of country you would want Brandon.

 

First of all, that's not in the least bit true. You don't get paid if you don't do jack [expletive]. Using broad generalizations that aren't even true don't help your case at all.

 

And too much competition is not necessarily a good thing either. People will do anything to find the easiest and fastest way to get rich and they'll do so at the expense of others. That's where the top two results of competition come into play: greed and corruption.

 

I'm not saying there should be no competition. Countries such as Sweden have private owned industries, yet they're socialist. A nice balance between socialism and capitalism really is the ideal government if it's done right.

[Mike Hawk]

You're right. We should leave health care in the hands of those who care more about their profit at the end of the day rather than the well-being of their customers.

 

 

 

First of all, that's not in the least bit true. You don't get paid if you don't do jack [expletive]. Using broad generalizations that aren't even true don't help your case at all.

 

And too much competition is not necessarily a good thing either. People will do anything to find the easiest and fastest way to get rich and they'll do so at the expense of others. That's where the top two results of competition come into play: greed and corruption.

 

I'm not saying there should be no competition. Countries such as Sweden have private owned industries, yet they're socialist. A nice balance between socialism and capitalism really is the ideal government if it's done right.

 

I still dont see the point you are making exactly. Are you Pro or anti capitalisam?

 

Take some economics classes. This is the same reason that you cant have 2 much employment, unemployment rate needs to stay in the 5s constantly if it goes to 0 and everyone is guaranteed a job, then people slack of and will not work. This gives them bargain power, and they bargain against their employer for higher wages, because they know they cant be fired.

 

Socialistic and Communistic views means that everything is owned by the goverments so it is a right and a guarantee pretty much, study your history more. People slack off, dont produce the output of work they were producing before and the country suffers, look at any Communist Countries history. They all look like a bubble, its prosperous for a certain point in time, and then once people start slacking, everything fails and flaws. Also people dont invest into Communist countries because there is no guarantee of their money being safe. Same with China, a lot of people dont invest because they have no legal way of battling their losses of corruption. Thats what keeps many people out.

[Mike Hawk]

 

 

 

 

First of all, that's not in the least bit true. You don't get paid if you don't do jack [expletive]. Using broad generalizations that aren't even true don't help your case at all.

 

 

 

Thats not true, remember under those systems you are guaranteed employment, the government takes control. People have to employ you. Its just like the Citizenship thing in the United States, If you pass the test and have a good clean record, your right to a citizenship is pretty much guaranteed.

 

Let me ask you this? Have you experienced a Communist or Socialistic government?

[AtTheDriveIn]

Well look at it, the Government has gained control of the banks, auto industry, and they want healthcare. How much longer before the Government has a stranglehold on everything in this country? Say good bye to freedom of choice.

 

Lol, whaaaaaatttt?

 

What freedoms is the government taking away from you? You still have a right to which bank you place your money into, you still have a right to which car you decide to drive and you still have a right to which doctor you go to for a small annual fee which benefits everyone. Where are these freedoms you're losing?

[AtTheDriveIn]

Let me ask you this? Have you experienced a Communist or Socialistic government?

 

Have you? and if you say Bosnia, you're just really, really, really stupid.

Edited August 21, 2009 by AtTheDriveIn

[Mike Hawk]

Have you? and if you say Bosnia, you're just really, really, really stupid.

 

Bosnia was part of Communistic Yugoslavija, so I suggest you check your stats.

[OldChili]

I still dont see the point you are making exactly. Are you Pro or anti capitalisam?

 

Take some economics classes. This is the same reason that you cant have 2 much employment, unemployment rate needs to stay in the 5s constantly if it goes to 0 and everyone is guaranteed a job, then people slack of and will not work. This gives them bargain power, and they bargain against their employer for higher wages, because they know they cant be fired.

 

Socialistic and Communistic views means that everything is owned by the goverments so it is a right and a guarantee pretty much, study your history more. People slack off, dont produce the output of work they were producing before and the country suffers, look at any Communist Countries history. They all look like a bubble, its prosperous for a certain point in time, and then once people start slacking, everything fails and flaws. Also people dont invest into Communist countries because there is no guarantee of their money being safe. Same with China, a lot of people dont invest because they have no legal way of battling their losses of corruption. Thats what keeps many people out.

 

Like I said, I'm for a mixed balance of both socialism and capitalism.

 

What you're talking about falls under communism, not necessarily socialism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism. You don't go around interchanging fascism and capitalism, do you? But people don't hesitate to do so to communism and socialism.

 

Bosnia was part of Communistic Yugoslavija, so I suggest you check your stats.

 

Nobody here is talking about communism.

[AtTheDriveIn]

Bosnia was part of Communistic Yugoslavija, so I suggest you check your stats.

 

I like it how you used the 'j' to make it sound authentic, but forgot to put on at the start of Jugoslavija. If you want to sound different, check yo' spelling, dawg.

 

 

Nobody was talking about communism either, by the way. We're talking about socialism. A socialist government is one where everything is actually shared amongst the people equally. For such a poor economic standard, a socialist government in Bosnia, or in the hip, retro, 'jugoslavija' is impossible. It can only be run through a set of strict political rules, which would no longer make it a socialist government. And if you knew anything, you'd know that they're not the same thing because communism focuses mainly on many political issues, meanwhile, Marx said that the idea of 'socialism' was about the economy and not about politics.

 

Thus far, there hasn't been many countries that have been able to implement Marxism correctly mainly because the level of economic growth was just too poor and almost all 'ideas' of socialism came from poor states who wanted a better lifestyle, but couldn't exactly get it.

 

Communism, on the other hand, usually mixes in socialism and a form of dictatorship together and disguises it under the name of 'socialist republic' so that they don't have every capitalist country in the world attack them.

[OldChili]

Look at countries that have done socialism right (or to some extent at least): Denmark, Finland, and Sweden.

 

All three economies are ranked in the top twenty in the world according to multiple reports. And along with the fact that they have the some of the happiest people in the world, they sure as hell must be doing something right.

 

I'm not talking about whether the United States would be more successful if it was socialist. Because I'm not sure if it would work out so well with a country that's built as a melting pot. And that's definitely not what I'm getting at.

 

I like it how you used the 'j' to make it sound authentic, but forgot to put on at the start of Jugoslavija. If you want to sound different, check yo' spelling, dawg.

 

 

Nobody was talking about communism either, by the way. We're talking about socialism. A socialist government is one where everything is actually shared amongst the people equally. For such a poor economic standard, a socialist government in Bosnia, or in the hip, retro, 'jugoslavija' is impossible. It can only be run through a set of strict political rules, which would no longer make it a socialist government. And if you knew anything, you'd know that they're not the same thing because communism focuses mainly on many political issues, meanwhile, Marx said that the idea of 'socialism' was about the economy and not about politics.

 

Thus far, there hasn't been many countries that have been able to implement Marxism correctly mainly because the level of economic growth was just too poor and almost all 'ideas' of socialism came from poor states who wanted a better lifestyle, but couldn't exactly get it.

 

Communism, on the other hand, usually mixes in socialism and a form of dictatorship together and disguises it under the name of 'socialist republic' so that they don't have every capitalist country in the world attack them.

 

[Lkr]

Look at countries that have done socialism right (or to some extent at least): Denmark, Finland, and Sweden.

 

All three economies are ranked in the top twenty in the world according to multiple reports. And along with the fact that they have the some of the happiest people in the world, they sure as hell must be doing something right.

 

I'm not talking about whether the United States would be more successful if it was socialist. Because I'm not sure if it would work out so well with a country that's built as a melting pot. And that's definitely not what I'm getting at.

 

 

 

Then why aren't people migrating there if they provide so much happiness? Why would immigrants rather go to the US?

[AtTheDriveIn]

Then why aren't people migrating there if they provide so much happiness? Why would immigrants rather go to the US?

 

You can't just 'migrate' to countries. There's a strict set of rules and procedures you have to follow to get into different countries. It took my family a year living in Germany under a temporary VISA before we were able to move to Australia via staying in Japan for a while. It's not as easy as just packing up and going. Plus, these countries also have the right to refuse entry if they don't think you're qualified (ie. poor or unfit to live in their structure, basically).