Owner Real Deal Posted August 27, 2009 Author Owner Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Why are you still comparing Gallinari to Dirk? Nowitzki completely dominated guys like Barkley, Pippen and Shard before he was drafted, at the Nike Hoop Heroes Tour and the Hoops Summit. People knew Dirk was going to be awesome. It just so happens that the Bucks thought Tractor Traylor was going to be great, also, and they screwed up. Gallinari will probably be injured most of his career. Wasn't it him who missed the Euro championships for Italy a few years ago? He missed the entire first half of the season, pretty much, his rookie year due to his back problems...as you noted. But you failed to mention the fact that the Knicks only gave him two years because he wasn't very good in practice, blew his first two games against the Heat and Sixers, scored in double-digits just six times in the 2-3 months he played (from January until March) before missing the second half of March and all of April, and...well, I can go on and on, but there is absolutely nothing that tells me he'll be a franchise player in the future. His play in Italy reminds me of how hyped Sarunas Jasikevicius was before coming to the NBA and being a complete train wreck on the court. Same with Walter Herrmann, Shammond Williams, and all of these other guys who have had success overseas, then come to the league and get punished, or simply sent back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Because I see him as being similar to Nowitzki, and seeing Nowitzki struggled too as a rookie, they have similarities that you didn't see in your League Pass. They have so much similarities, being the difference is Gallinari is a bit quicker off the dribble and Nowitzki is better with the post game than Gallinari would probably ever be. And they have comparable stats as rooks: Nowitzki: 8.2 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.0 apg, 40.6 FG%, 20.6 3P%, 20.4 mpgGallinari: 6.1 ppg, 2.0 rog, 0.5 apg, 44.8 FG%, 44.4 3P%, 14.7 mpg Note he played nearly 6.0 mpg less than Nowitzki did... a significant amount of minutes for any rookie trying to prove himself, especially international ones. And obviously the injuries, he only played 28 games compared to Nowitzki's 47 games. Yet, he still shot much better from the field and especially from three pt, it's to show that despite all the setback he has the right focus and did not let obstacles get to him. Gallinari also dominated his league before he came to the NBA, that's why he got drafted as high as he did. Many saw Nowitzki as a darkhorse to win the ROY, but needless to say he disappointed in his rookie year... probably put doubt to Barkley's mind too. Those guys you compared Gallinari to didn't have the tools necessary to succeed in the L. Jasikevicius doesn't have the size or as a guard doesn't even have ball handling and only moderate passing. Herrmann is an international player that plays in a team concept and not an NBA one on one player like Gallinari can take his man one on one. That game against Magic when they went to him late in the game, when he got the ball, he's not like some other bust rooks who's "oh [expletive] I got the ball, now what should I do with it... Call timeout like Chris Webber? Cry?" He just let the game come to him and play. He doesn't seem caught up with anything but that every single possession he gets the ball to make decisions. From there, I know he doesn't "have the makings to be a bust"... he definitely has the talent but he also has the right mindset to succeed. Edited August 27, 2009 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted August 27, 2009 Author Owner Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Haha, well okay. You're obviously the only person on this site to think Gallinari will be a franchise player. Just so you know, I could compare rookies with Nowitzki also. I could take their stats and show you that they were putting up Dirk-like numbers as a rookie, and then I can turn around and show you why they aren't even in the NBA anymore. But I'm done wasting my time on this. You can look those numbers up. Go find some rookies that put up numbers similar to Dirk's, then see how they are doing today. And even then, Gallinari doesn't even play like Dirk. Not at all. The only similarities between the two would be their international blood, their ability to hit a jumper despite their height, and...well, that's it. Telling me that the Knicks picked him so early because he's good...might as well tell me they picked Channing Frye in 2005 at eight or nine because he was that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) You're comparing him to all the wrong players. Channing Frye's game is completely different than Gallinari. I don't think I've seen Frye dribble but receive passes and shoot or pass again. Instead of observing Gallinari, all you look at is stats and the team that drafts him who have drafted some stiffs in the past and think he is destined to be a stiff too. The ability to score points is cheap and that's what Gordon does best. Corey Maggette can average 25 ppg if he's allowed to be more selfish than he already is. But the difference maker, the reliability to go to a guy at the end of games, the presence to command double teams, the crisp decision makings to go with, and certainly the results are what make a franchise player. I'm doubting your ability to observe now, because you're choosing the player left on the board to have proven to score the best among them (in their rookie years) but is scoring all you see? Gordon offers your team points and barely nothing else. Again, it's a cheap ability and certainly nothing worthy of a franchise player consideration. You're looking at ppg and thinks he's the best player left on the board when it's so much more about just points. Edited August 27, 2009 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted August 27, 2009 Author Owner Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I never said that Gallinari plays a similar game to Frye, I said that teams make mistakes drafting, so there was no point in saying that the Knicks must have saw something good in him. What makes you think all I look at is stats? I've seen Gallinari play. There's nothing that resembles Dirk, not even a young Nowitzki. The ability to score points is cheap? Gallinari is a scoring forward, a shooter at that. He was with Italy, and he proved that he has a scorer's mindset when he set out to destroy the Hawks (career high of 17). Plus, you compared him to Nowitzki earlier. What do you think Dirk is? Your last paragraph makes Gallinari out to be as good as Kobe and LeBron, so I'm not even going to touch that. Shooters don't command doubles unless they are Kobe or Jordan. Danilo will be a shooter, and if he becomes anything valuable in the league (as a starter), he will be on par with the likes of Detlef Schrempf, not Dirk Nowitzki. And watching Detlef play in the 90's, I doubt Gallinari will get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I know Nowitzki is a scorer but he's more than that because Ben Gordon is also a scorer and on any given night can match any player's points production. Nowitzki is a franchise that turns one around... he is consistent, he doesn't go for 40 one night and then 5 the next. He is the main motor that makes a ship go, he is the go to guy on almost every possession, he is a threat every possession. There's a difference between just a scorer and a franchise. Nowitzki is a franchise, I see Gallinari as a franchise and both Eric and Ben Gordon as just scorers. But it proves you didn't really observe him well enough, he is so much more than being on the floor to score. He wants to be a difference maker by making all the plays necessary, outlet pass to a fastbreak guy, hustle defense, help defense, being a decoy, getting open. Gordon is only valuable when he has the ball, and when he doesn't, he camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted August 27, 2009 Author Owner Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 But it proves you didn't really observe him well enough, he is so much more than being on the floor to score. He wants to be a difference maker by making all the plays necessary, outlet pass to a fastbreak guy, hustle defense, help defense, being a decoy, getting open.I do, also. Hopefully, a Knicks fan comes in here and lets me know that Gallinari will not be the franchise player for New York, or else I must be ignorant to the game of basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Well I predicted Gallinari would be on his way to be the team's franchise before LeBron comes... if LeBron doesn't come, maybe it's alright because they have him. But of course, I am not God, if he's not healthy then noone can be a franchise, back problem is a killer. But if he can stay healthy I am sticking to my prediction, he's the Knicks savior. Edited August 27, 2009 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDevil Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 LOL i cant believe this arguement is still going on.The Knicks, one of the worst franchises in recent history, are to be saved by Gallinari?!I would love to see that, hope your right buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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