Multi-Billionaire Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) This thread is about Allen Iverson or Chauncey Billups... It's important that before you vote, you put aside whatever bias feelings you may have toward either player, whether it's love or hate. And vote based on logic and choice after thinking, not your feelings. Main question: Who is more likely to lead their team to play good defense? Extra questions:- Who would you take to take over your team's starting PG spot (assuming it's empty)?- If either player can be put on the same team with the exact same roster, coaching staff, atmosphere, whose team would have more wins? - Who is more likely to lead their X team (not Nuggets or Grizzlies) to championship now? Edited September 11, 2009 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 My coach told me to play better defense all the time. That doesn't mean I did. Maybe Billups should've told Melo to play better offense in the last four games of the series, or someone should've told Billups that same thing. There are many veteran vocal leaders in the NBA. Billups is one of them. So is Derek Fisher. So is Antawn Jamison. Good for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Who is more likely to lead their team to play good defense? I'll go with Billups, easily. Who would you take to take over your team's starting PG spot (assuming it's empty)? Depends on the team. If I'm the Nuggets, I'd rather have Billups. If I'm the Bobcats, I'd rather have Iverson. If either player can be put on the same team with the exact same roster, coaching staff, atmosphere, whose team would have more wins? Most likely Billups. Who is more likely to lead their team to championship now? Once again, it depends on the team. But if we're talking about the Nuggets, Billups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Last question changed sorry for confusion: - Who is more likely to lead their X team (not Nuggets or Grizzlies) to championship now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Billups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 My coach told me to play better defense all the time. That doesn't mean I did. Whose fault is it to be a brat? And whose team suffers? Maybe Billups should've told Melo to play better offense in the last four games of the series, or someone should've told Billups that same thing. There are many veteran vocal leaders in the NBA. Billups is one of them. So is Derek Fisher. So is Antawn Jamison. Good for them. Again you want to generalize one small sample to all. Good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) Who would you take to take over your team's starting PG spot (assuming it's empty)? Depends on the team. If I'm the Nuggets, I'd rather have Billups. If I'm the Bobcats, I'd rather have Iverson. "Your team" that means the Magic --- I also have edited first post by adding: "It's important that before you vote, you put aside whatever bias feelings you may have toward either player, whether it's love or hate. And vote based on logic and choice after thinking, not your feelings." Edited September 11, 2009 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) "Your team" that means the Magic Billups, no question about it. Edited September 11, 2009 by OldChili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Whose fault is it to be a brat? And whose team suffers?Calling me a brat? Think before you speak, you idiot. I said I wasn't able to because I wasn't that great of a defender. Man, you sure have fallen out of place around here. It's quite sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Billionaire Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 But did you try your best? Or should I say, did your coach make you try your best? If he doesn't maybe you're not who's wrong, maybe it's your coach. Haha getting riled up huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 But did you try your best? Or should I say, did your coach make you try your best? If he doesn't maybe you're not who's wrong, maybe it's your coach. Haha getting riled up huh Getting riled up because you have no respect anymore. Which is cool. I'm just a brat that doesn't try hard playing the sport I love. Good call. I'm done with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revis Island Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Billups is better at everything, except volume scoring. Iverson is more flashy and more fun to watch, but Billups just has everything you need to win championships and that's a Coach's Dream Player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Dre Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Main question: Who is more likely to lead their team to play good defense? Billups Extra questions:- Who would you take to take over your team's starting PG spot (assuming it's empty)? billups- If either player can be put on the same team with the exact same roster, coaching staff, atmosphere, whose team would have more wins? billups- Who is more likely to lead their X team (not Nuggets or Grizzlies) to championship now? billups whats your point? i could just ask the same things who is better offensive player? who is a better scorer? who has been way more fortunate with much much better teams?iverson, iverson, billups. i dont see the point you're trying to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 He's asking irrelevant questions from another topic, that's all. He's not asking who was more important to their Denver Nuggets team, because that would be a stupid thing for him to do to argue against statistics that provide glaring results against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Dre Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 honestly guys? this is like the 3rd thread like this just to prove a point, its like you guys are competing or something. just have a discussion and dont get angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revis Island Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 There's no reason to take Iverson over Billups, plain and simple unless you want to sell tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 There's no reason to take Iverson over Billups, plain and simple unless you want to sell tickets.Don't you sell more tickets as you get deeper in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revis Island Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Don't you sell more tickets as you get deeper in the playoffs?Uh yeah, but I doubt you will find Billups "only" fans compared to Iverson's. Really, Iverson doesn't do anything better than Billups really....He's a better scorer, but he's much less efficient at it, Billups is the better playoff performer, rebounder, defender, passer, playmaker, shooter, honestly you name it, Billups is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Uh yeah, but I doubt you will find Billups "only" fans compared to Iverson's. Really, Iverson doesn't do anything better than Billups really....He's a better scorer, but he's much less efficient at it, Billups is the better playoff performer, rebounder, defender, passer, playmaker, shooter, honestly you name it, Billups is better.Iverson shot better from the field with the Nuggets, compared to Billups. Iverson threw more assists. Iverson rebounded the ball just as much. The stats are there. Just look them up. Or just look here: Iverson (DEN) in 2008: 26.4 PPG (45.8% FG), 7.1 APG, 2.0 SPG, 3.0 TO/G, 3.0 RPGBillups (DEN) in 2009: 17.9 PPG (42.0% FG), 6.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2.2 TO/G, 3.0 RPG Looks like you're spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Dre Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Iverson shot better from the field with the Nuggets, compared to Billups. Iverson threw more assists. Iverson rebounded the ball just as much. The stats are there. Just look them up. Or just look here: Iverson (DEN) in 2008: 26.4 PPG (45.8% FG), 7.1 APG, 2.0 SPG, 3.0 TO/G, 3.0 RPGBillups (DEN) in 2009: 17.9 PPG (42.0% FG), 6.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2.2 TO/G, 3.0 RPG Looks like you're spot on! while you're mostly right, passing doesnt just mean assists. it means willing to pass for a shot. if we found passes per game im sure billups would have way more which involves the whole team which brings a positive attitude and gives confidence to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 while you're mostly right, passing doesnt just mean assists. it means willing to pass for a shot. if we found passes per game im sure billups would have way more which involves the whole team which brings a positive attitude and gives confidence to others.So does that mean Iverson is less selfish than Billups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Dre Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 So does that mean Iverson is less selfish than Billups? what? no way iverson is way more selfish. i think i worded it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revis Island Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Iverson shot better from the field with the Nuggets, compared to Billups. Iverson threw more assists. Iverson rebounded the ball just as much. The stats are there. Just look them up. Or just look here: Iverson (DEN) in 2008: 26.4 PPG (45.8% FG), 7.1 APG, 2.0 SPG, 3.0 TO/G, 3.0 RPGBillups (DEN) in 2009: 17.9 PPG (42.0% FG), 6.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 2.2 TO/G, 3.0 RPG Looks like you're spot on!If you are going to base something as simple as that with stats, then let's compare LeBron to Kobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Dre Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 If you are going to base something as simple as that with stats, then let's compare LeBron to Kobe. oh. end of discussion man. i do think that kobe is better than lebron obviously but man you just ended the discussion. i mean this in a good way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 If you are going to base something as simple as that with stats, then let's compare LeBron to Kobe. Right, because they play in the same conference, same team, same type of teammates? How about we stick to comparing two players who were on pretty much the same exact team, with Iverson missing a huge part of their offense the previous season, and compare their teammates' shooting percentages as well? You wouldn't do that, though, because it's so much easier to just look at that win total and come to that conclusion. Kind of like me looking at the Houston Rockets beating up on the Lakers in the second round without Yao, and stating that, maybe, Scola and the Rockets are a better team without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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