Dash Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) Interested in seeing OTR's opinion. As for me, 'yay'. Edited September 11, 2009 by Dash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nissan Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Yay, our healthcare system needed an overhaul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Who cares man need to worry about cutting spending first. Obama has yet to learn that we are in debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Our health-care system definitely needs an overhaul, but I don't know enough information about Obama's health-care plan to make an unbiased judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 It's essentially universal Medicaid and Medicare. Medicaid saved my eyes. I'm for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 It's essentially universal Medicaid and Medicare. Medicaid saved my eyes. I'm for it.Obviously there's more to it than that, which is why I'm a bit hesitant to say I support it when I don't know all the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 11, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Obviously there's more to it than that, which is why I'm a bit hesitant to say I support it when I don't know all the facts.I'm not following what the differences are, then, other than most Republicans saying that we all will die younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt chamberlain Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 yay for it. obama = woodrow wilson 2.0 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Nay this is gonna destroy health insurence and IMO hurt the economy a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) I'm not following what the differences are, then, other than most Republicans saying that we all will die younger.I'm not necessarily questioning what it's trying to do, but how it's going to do what it promises to do. Edit: I would say I support it, but I feel it would be wrong saying so when I don't know most of the facts on how his plan will work. Edited September 11, 2009 by OldChili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav4life Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 This thread will not turn out well. as for my opinion, I like it but then again I dont like it. Its not fair to those who dont need it. But for those who do its an awesome thing to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VicNabb Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 It's going to raise taxes and cause inflation. It's a way to bring us further into socialism and give the government more control over our lives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkr Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Nay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliCurbStomppa Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 yay. I like what im seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 As for Obama's plan I'd have to say "yay." I think it's pretty solid all around. The fact of the matter is too many Americans DON'T have coverage, and truly can not afford it. I believe health care coverage should be a RIGHT. I didn't believe this until I read a book, and then I was totally convinced that it's worth it to at least get a gov't run public option, and if you want your own plan that you have now, keep it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 They have been trying this for over 50 years now lets hope he get it going right this time. Yay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VicNabb Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) Funny how Obama sees over 600 thousand Anti-Healthcare protesters in Washington today and he schedules a last minute appointment to go to Minnesota. Edited September 12, 2009 by VicNabb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 It's a way to bring us further into socialism and give the government more control over our lives.Can you explain to me how the government is gaining more control over our lives? You can still choose the plan you want with whatever insurer you want. If you already have health care, you can keep it and it won't affect you. This is more for the people who can't afford it. If you hate socialism so much, stop traveling on public roads. Build your own road. I'm not going to debate socialism in this thread, but if you're going to criticize something, then do so with facts rather than pointless propaganda. I just don't see how the government is taking away any freedoms of mine with this plan. Probably, because it's not. FoxNews tells the truth. My thoughts.It's obvious where you get your ridiculous claims from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted September 12, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Aaron brought up a great, great point about USPS. It's ran by the government, and look how many people us it. At the same time, UPS and FedEx are still available, despite USPS's existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VicNabb Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) "Can you explain to me how the government is gaining more control over our lives?" This of course has been happening gradually...since the midway point of the Bush administration and is continuing on at a rapid pace with the Obama admin. Examples of this are the the policies of the various "shovel ready projects" brought on by increased awareness of global warming which are now coming into play. Nancy Pelosi directly stated that each and every aspect of every one of our lives in the coming years of this administration will be subject to inventory of how we consume energy. Thus, bringing us the CAP AND TAX proposal that they are trying to push through as soon as healthcare reform is underway. Another example is the efforts to censor certain markets in the media by bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Reviving this legislation will not only stifle freedom of speech, but contradict the very core of Liberalism which has always been the right to free speech. I could go on if you want. "You can still choose the plan you want with whatever insurer you want." Please site in the president's 1000 page proposal where this is stated. After paging through (took me about a week), I have yet to find proof of this. "If you already have health care, you can keep it and it won't affect you. This is more for the people who can't afford it." This reform will directly effect us in the sense that the 5% of the population (illegal and legal citizens) who are not currently covered, will be covered using our tax dollars. The influx of new patients will also overwhelm the present load that hospitals are faced with on a day to day basis. Going back to being able to keep our coverage, Do you remember the NAFTA agreement under Clinton? People were able to outsource all kinds of work to foreign countries in order to save money on laborers that they were contracted to pay certain wages to because of Union enforcement. Essentially, this is the same kind of deal. If a small business were to be faced with the choice of laying employees off or cutting on overall expenses, their best bet will most likely be to offer their employees the public option. This saves money and jobs. The only downside is crappy health care and very little options when it comes to making choices about who you see and how you are treated. "If you hate socialism so much, stop traveling on public roads. Build your own road." Incase you may or may not have known, a country's overall infrastructure is not the result of a socialist government. Its the result of the NECESSARY tax dollars taken from our salaries to fund such projects. They key is LIMITED government which takes care of such things as roads, bridges, tunnels, etc. And even then, its on a state run level. I'm willing to pay for such projects. Looks like I won't be needing to build my own roads. "I'm not going to debate socialism in this thread, but if you're going to criticize something, then do so with facts rather than pointless propaganda. I just don't see how the government is taking away any freedoms of mine with this plan. Probably, because it's not." Are those enough facts for ya?? Edited September 12, 2009 by VicNabb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 This of course has been happening gradually...since the midway point of the Bush administration and is continuing on at a rapid pace with the Obama admin. Examples of this are the the policies of the various "shovel ready projects" brought on by increased awareness of global warming which are now coming into play. Nancy Pelosi directly stated that each and every aspect of every one of our lives in the coming years of this administration will be subject to inventory of how we consume energy. Thus, bringing us the CAP AND TAX proposal that they are trying to push through as soon as healthcare reform is underway. Another example is the efforts to censor certain markets in the media by bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Reviving this legislation will not only stifle freedom of speech, but contradict the very core of Liberalism which has always been the right to free speech. I could go on if you want. You took that quote out of contest. We're talking about the health care reform, not the fairness doctrine or the cap and tax proposal. Please site in the president's 1000 page proposal where this is stated. After paging through (took me about a week), I have yet to find proof of this. Just because you haven't found proof of it, means it's not true? It obviously effects you in some ways (taxes), but it does not effect who you see. You can still keep/choose your own doctor. Back to the USPS example; there are still companies like FedEx and UPS. How is your freedom limited there? This reform will directly effect us in the sense that the 5% of the population (illegal and legal citizens) who are not currently covered, will be covered using our tax dollars. The influx of new patients will also overwhelm the present load that hospitals are faced with on a day to day basis. Going back to being able to keep our coverage, Do you remember the NAFTA agreement under Clinton? People were able to outsource all kinds of work to foreign countries in order to save money on laborers that they were contracted to pay certain wages to because of Union enforcement. Essentially, this is the same kind of deal. If a small business were to be faced with the choice of laying employees off or cutting on overall expenses, their best bet will most likely be to offer their employees the public option. This saves money and jobs. The only downside is crappy health care and very little options when it comes to making choices about who you see and how you are treated. First of all, I believe the percentage of people that are not currently covered is around 15%. Practically you're saying that amount of people should remain uninsured, because we'll have too many people that will actually receiving some kind of health care. I can't even begin to explain the many things wrong with that. And that last statement is purely your opinion, no facts. Incase you may or may not have known, a country's overall infrastructure is not the result of a socialist government. Its the result of the NECESSARY tax dollars taken from our salaries to fund such projects. They key is LIMITED government which takes care of such things as roads, bridges, tunnels, etc. And even then, its on a state run level. I'm willing to pay for such projects. Looks like I won't be needing to build my own roads.The idea of everyone paying an amount of their income for the benefit of all, is a socialist idea. That is not in the very least, a capitalist idea. There are hints of socialism in practically every government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JYD Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) It's going to raise taxes and cause inflation. It's a way to bring us further into socialism and give the government more control over our lives.Lol. A. Inflation already exists.B. This Socialism claim that is thrown out there is truly hilarious. Do you even know what it means? To be honest, it is no where remotely associated with our country. We have what is called the free market, so the Socialism claims at least provided some good comedy.C. Yes, giving the people who are uninsured a choice at a public option of health care is going to have the government control our lives more! Brilliant conclusion! And LOL at you saying you want limited and smaller government, when a Republican, who I'm sure you voted for, G.W. Bush grew the size of government just as much, if not, more over his eight years than any other President in U.S. History. I really like the way Obama puts it. The idea of big government and small government is a very very stupid topic of discussion to argue upon. What we need is a BETTER government, not a bigger or smaller one. Edited September 13, 2009 by JYD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Seriously, he is trying to run this country like a dictatorship, and he's trying to push bulls through loop-holes. Do you guys realize how many people "Obama Care" is for? I would love you to tell me what you think because it is not a large portion of our country, at all, and I'm sure you guys will say it's like 50% of people, even though it's......under 20%. MOST people in this country do NOTTTTTTT want it, yet he is trying to force it thought? How the [expletive] does that make sense. And, Brandon, it's great that Medacaid works for you, but the fact is, it is TOO EXPENSIVE, and I can't believe you actually tried to use the USPS as an example to help your case, even though it's been in disarray. . I really wish a lot of you would start thinking for yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VicNabb Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 I really wish a lot of you would start thinking for yourselves. They will when they get real jobs and they see their tax dollars dispersing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldChili Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 I really wish a lot of you would start thinking for yourselves.That's funny coming from someone who worships Fox News. Dictatorship? I'm sure Glenn Beck, Hannity, or O'Rielly probably used those exact same words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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