2k10 Ratings (only A Few)

[Sun Tzu]

They better fix Rondo's rating.

[MainEv3nt]

who cares if rondo almost avg a triple double in the playoffs, he still shouldnt be higher then some people.

 

u take rondo off celtics an he wouldnt avg that much.

[Doc]

lame, raps at 73.

[Poe]

thats for individual players, care to explain the team overall ratings?

No idea, to be honest. I've already said that I don't agree with them. Perhaps it'll be updated to something more accurate as the season goes on.

[Poe]

I heard that Ginobili is A- on defense while Shane Battier is a B+. This is madness.

I'd like to see the defensive overall ratings. If Manu's IS higher than Shane's, then the ratings are truly messed up.

[Legacy]

Last year, T-Mac had a higher defensive rating than Battier.

[OldChili]

Why isn't Vince a 99?

 

This is outrageous.

[OldChili]

Is it just me, or do some of these players look really odd.

 

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Edited September 27, 2009 by OldChili

[His Greatness]

I checked and Dirk has a 90 offensive rating and a 63 defensive rating. He has an A+ inside game and an A outside game. Despite his low OVERALL rating, I'm sure that you can still manage to realistically get 25 and 10 with him.

They exaggerated Dirk's ineptitude on defense, he's not that bad. Besides, an overall rating is supposed to be an indication of a player's overall ability and where they rank among the other players. Dirk is a top ten player, and I expect it to be reflected on his rating.

 

WTF Rondo? He averaged a triple double in the playoffs. He's going to have a high skill rating in all of the major skills for a guard (and any position, really) - passing, ball handling, pound-for-pound rebounder, stealing, man defense, awareness (leadership), etc. etc. Maybe at first glance a mid 80s rating seems high for him, but if you think about all the little details, it makes sense that he has a high rating.

Holy [expletive] he averaged a triple double in the playoffs let's make him the second best player on his team (he's not) and rate him as the tenth best player in the NBA (not even close).

 

Players like Nash and Dirk appear to have low ratings because their trashy defensive ratings balance out the high offensive ratings. I'm sure that Nash is somewhere in the 90s on offense as well, and a 50-60 rating defense would balance that out to 80 overall. Make sense? A player like Rondo who has a somewhat high offensive rating AND a somewhat high defensive rating, plus rebounding, will appear to have an abnormally high overall rating, but I can almost guarantee you his scoring skill set will be just as one-dimensional as real life.

That's why they need weighted ratings. The system is flawed.

 

I'm going to say this one last time, but don't judge the book by the cover. Actually use the players before you decide if the ratings are messed up or not.

I will judge whatever I want by its cover. It's my money.

[Poe]

They exaggerated Dirk's ineptitude on defense, he's not that bad. Besides, an overall rating is supposed to be an indication of a player's overall ability and where they rank among the other players. Dirk is a top ten player, and I expect it to be reflected on his rating.

Dirk is definitely top ten offensively, and his rating on that end shows it. His defensive stat is somewhat average, right where he belongs.

 

Holy [expletive] he averaged a triple double in the playoffs let's make him the second best player on his team (he's not) and rate him as the tenth best player in the NBA (not even close).

How many players in NBA History have ever averaged a triple double in the playoffs? Only HoF caliber players like J-Kidd and Big O. Regardless of having all-star perimeter players (KG out), a good defensive center, and a strong bench - averaging a triple double is still a huge accomplishment. I personally don't like Rondo much, but I still think that he can potentially have an HoF caliber career if he continues to keep up this level of play, especially if he can improve his jumpshot.

 

That's why they need weighted ratings. The system is flawed.

Are you telling me that the ability to score should outweigh everything else? An overall rating is the summary of all the player's abilities put together. In my opinion, Rondo is at about the right place in terms of what he is able to do on the court.

 

I do agree that it is somewhat flawed, though. Chalmers (74) and Beasley (72) shouldn't be rated higher than Haslem (70), co-captain of the Heat. His awareness and hustle should outweigh Chalmers and Beasley's abilities. It's minor, though. You can't expect a video game to be perfect in every little aspect.

 

 

I will judge whatever I want by its cover. It's my money.

Demos are free.

[Riot]

How many players in NBA History have ever averaged a triple double in the playoffs? Only HoF caliber players like J-Kidd and Big O. Regardless of having all-star perimeter players (KG out), a good defensive center, and a strong bench - averaging a triple double is still a huge accomplishment. I personally don't like Rondo much, but I still think that he can potentially have an HoF caliber career if he continues to keep up this level of play, especially if he can improve his jumpshot.

He didn't even average a triple double, he came close, but didn't.

[His Greatness]

Dirk is definitely top ten offensively, and his rating on that end shows it. His defensive stat is somewhat average, right where he belongs.

Dirk is a top ten player overall, as in real life. The ratings should show that.

 

How many players in NBA History have ever averaged a triple double in the playoffs? Only HoF caliber players like J-Kidd and Big O. Regardless of having all-star perimeter players (KG out), a good defensive center, and a strong bench - averaging a triple double is still a huge accomplishment. I personally don't like Rondo much, but I still think that he can potentially have an HoF caliber career if he continues to keep up this level of play, especially if he can improve his jumpshot.

I didn't dispute his superb postseason or upside. I disputed him being the tenth best player in the NBA, which he's not.

 

Are you telling me that the ability to score should outweigh everything else? An overall rating is the summary of all the player's abilities put together. In my opinion, Rondo is at about the right place in terms of what he is able to do on the court.

I'm telling you that some things are more vital than others, hence the weighted ratings suggestion. Rondo is more complete than Nowitzki, but we can all agree that Dirk is the superior player by quite a margin.

 

Demos are free.

... okay.

[TheNextBestThing]

The Thunder and he Grizzlies are better than the Suns? And Rajon Rondo is as good as Brandon Roy?

 

 

My favorite thing to see will be the "intelligence" ratings. That's the biggest joke in NBA 2K9. Amare Stoudemire is smarter than Shane Battier? I think they set up a rating for "popularity" and accidentally called it "IQ."

[YugoRocketsFan]

For anyone who wants to know, here are the team ratings:

76ers: 78 (78 OFF, 77 DEF)

Blazers: 79 (78 OFF, 78 DEF)

Bobcats: 73 (66 OFF, 79 DEF)

Bucks: 68 (67 OFF, 66 DEF)

Bulls: 73 (71 OFF, 73 DEF)

Cavs: 85 (84 OFF, 86 DEF)

Celtics: 88 (88 OFF, 90 DEF)

Clippers: 76 (76 OFF, 74 DEF)

Grizzlies: 80 (78 OFF, 73 DEF)

Hawks: 80 (82 OFF, 81 DEF)

Heat: 77 (74 OFF, 81 DEF)

Hornets: 80 (76 OFF, 79 DEF)

Jazz: 79 (80 OFF, 77 DEF)

Kings: 65 (68 OFF, 63 DEF)

Knicks: 75 (70 OFF, 75 DEF)

Lakers: 88 (90 OFF, 91 DEF)

Magic: 83 (81 OFF, 83 DEF)

Mavs: 83 (80 OFF, 80 DEF)

Nets: 71 (71 OFF, 75 DEF)

Nuggets: 86 (81 OFF, 89 DEF)

Pacers: 72 (74 OFF, 69 DEF)

Pistons: 78 (76 OFF, 77 DEF)

Raptors: 73 (85 OFF, 67 DEF)

Rockets: 81 (77 OFF, 83 DEF)

Spurs: 80 (84 OFF, 77 DEF)

Suns: 73 (77 OFF, 71 DEF)

Thunder: 76 (72 OFF, 74 DEF)

T'Wolves: 71 (73 OFF, 64 DEF)

Warriors: 79 (76 OFF, 80 DEF)

Wizards: 78 (83 OFF, 64 DEF)

 

 

Some of these I don't personally agree with, haha. The Blazers and Spurs are pretty low, and the Grizzlies are a bit high.

 

Rockets are better than Spurs, Jazz, Hornets, Heat, Hawks and Blazers, yeah!

[Poe]

Rockets are better than Spurs, Jazz, Hornets, Heat, Hawks and Blazers, yeah!

That's the rating for the Rockets + Yao and T Mac..

[YugoRocketsFan]

That's the rating for the Rockets + Yao and T Mac..

 

Yah but T-Mac is playing this season.

[Klashnekoff]

lol harris is the only 86, looks promising to use the nets, i tend to use the rockets occasionally on 2k9. Yes i do Yugo. They grew on me.

[Sun Tzu]

lol harris is the only 86, looks promising to use the nets, i tend to use the rockets occasionally on 2k9. Yes i do Yugo. They grew on me.

 

Only thing I like about using the Rockets is Yao Ming. He gets blocks so easily and he is so good on offense whether his shooting or in the paint.

[DWhiTex34]

Where's Pierce? o.o

 

And I actually like the ratings alot

[Real Deal]

Ha, ratings are fine? I can't wait to see Boston pull off a Rondo-for-Durant trade in season mode.

[Poe]

Ha, ratings are fine? I can't wait to see Boston pull off a Rondo-for-Durant trade in season mode.

It wouldn't work. In 2k9 in association mode I noticed that potential ratings and age are counted in a pretty major margin when attempting a trade. The amount of impact a player is projected to have in the future is taken into account in this game. My guess is that Durant's potential ratings in 2k10 far outdoes Rondo's. I think they would have to add in an aged star (Allen, Pierce, Garnet), or two for the trade to work... minus the salary.

[Real Deal]

It wouldn't work. In 2k9 in association mode I noticed that potential ratings and age are counted in a pretty major margin when attempting a trade. The amount of impact a player is projected to have in the future is taken into account in this game. My guess is that Durant's potential ratings in 2k10 far outdoes Rondo's. I think they would have to add in an aged star (Allen, Pierce, Garnet), or two for the trade to work... minus the salary.

They are 1-2 years apart in age, that's it...and if Rondo is already an 87, how can Durant (being an 82) have a better potential ranking?

 

2k10 is making defensive-minded players out to be as important as offensive juggernauts. Hate to say it, but I would take a Dirk Nowitzki over a Rajon Rondo every day of the week.

 

FYI - Rondo didn't average a trip-doub in the playoffs. In fact, he didn't get it in either series, let alone the entire duration of both combined. And if they took that into account, I hope they also noticed his 3.3 turnovers per game and his pathetic 37.5% shooting against the Magic, also.

[Poe]

They are 1-2 years apart in age, that's it...and if Rondo is already an 87, how can Durant (being an 82) have a better potential ranking?

 

2k10 is making defensive-minded players out to be as important as offensive juggernauts. Hate to say it, but I would take a Dirk Nowitzki over a Rajon Rondo every day of the week.

 

FYI - Rondo didn't average a trip-doub in the playoffs. In fact, he didn't get it in either series, let alone the entire duration of both combined. And if they took that into account, I hope they also noticed his 3.3 turnovers per game and his pathetic 37.5% shooting against the Magic, also.

The potential ratings affect how good they are likely to be after each simulated year. After 5 simulated years in association mode, Durant is likely to be rated a 95, while Rondo would remain 90 or below.

 

The overall ratings are just an indication of all the player's abilities combined. Believe me, Rondo will still have just as much of a one dimensional scoring skill set as before, while Dirk will still remain as the first scoring option on almost any team in the league, even if his overall rating isn't the highest.

 

In a simulated season that this guy was showing, Rondo averaged 14 points, 5 boards, 11 assists, and 2.5 steals. I'm not sure what Dirk averaged, but I'm willing to bet he averaged something along the lines of 25 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, and 1 block. Even though comparing their overall ratings may seem iffy, they still appear to perform about the same as real life.

 

Actually using these players will be no different. Comparing the two, Dirk will be 10x easier to score with, while Rondo will be more skilled with handling the ball and making difficult passes. Defensively Dirk's overall is going to be somewhat average, while Rondo will be one of the better perimeter defenders in the game. Although Rondo's rebounding rating will probably be higher, Dirk's height will probably allow him to grab more boards. Basically, even if the ratings may seem off to you, they are still going to perform somewhat like their real life counterparts.

 

About Rondo's triple double, fine. If you have to be that literal, he was .2 assists and .3 rebounds away from one. Better?

[Real Deal]

The point is, I'm sure that if I can't deal Rondo for Durant, I can find another alternate method of completely ripping a new one into a team based on current ratings.

 

Quite frankly, if the game wants to be realistic in ratings AND in game statistics, they should go with weighted ratings...something no video game has done yet. Offensive production should have more of an impact on a player's overall than his endurance, for example. The 2000 Shaq didn't have the endurance LeBron does, but he was more effective with the ball in his hands (scoring-wise), which should change his overall rating much more than his lack of endurance.

 

This is why guys like Smush Parker have held high ratings in the past. He can steal the ball? Yeah, and he sucks at everything else, but because he's a ball thief, he suddenly becomes a good defensive player...when, in fact, he never was to begin with.

 

If 2k10 wanted a drastic change, there it was. Weighted ratings. Instead, they sacrificed their overall rating system to improve realistic statistics. Certainly a step up looking at it at some angles, but not all.

[Poe]

The point is, I'm sure that if I can't deal Rondo for Durant, I can find another alternate method of completely ripping a new one into a team based on current ratings.

 

Quite frankly, if the game wants to be realistic in ratings AND in game statistics, they should go with weighted ratings...something no video game has done yet. Offensive production should have more of an impact on a player's overall than his endurance, for example. The 2000 Shaq didn't have the endurance LeBron does, but he was more effective with the ball in his hands (scoring-wise), which should change his overall rating much more than his lack of endurance.

 

This is why guys like Smush Parker have held high ratings in the past. He can steal the ball? Yeah, and he sucks at everything else, but because he's a ball thief, he suddenly becomes a good defensive player...when, in fact, he never was to begin with.

 

If 2k10 wanted a drastic change, there it was. Weighted ratings. Instead, they sacrificed their overall rating system to improve realistic statistics. Certainly a step up looking at it at some angles, but not all.

 

The ratings are actually somewhat weighted. The weighing seems to revolve a lot around the awareness ratings from what I can tell. Playing the draft combine, I noticed that raising my awareness ratings raises your overall rating much faster than if I were to use my skill points on things like shooting ability. In 2k9, I noticed that stamina and durability ratings weren't counted for the overall at all. Whether a player had a 50 or a 99 in stamina doesn't affect the player's rating, so obviously there is at least some weighing to the ratings.

 

About the defense, in the past I think 2k has mostly been just a pretty bad judge on what a good defender is. Players like Iverson with a high spg will get the lockdown defender icon, when in reality the reason behind their ability to steal is based a lot around their tendency to gamble on passes, rather than good off-ball positioning (and other things like quick hands in 1-on-1 situations), which often results in them getting burned, as you know. Good 1 on 1 defenders like Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, and Raja Bell still get rewarded, yet a lot of the defensive ratings in the past 2k games seemed suspect, though, I'll agree on that.

 

Even if the overall rating system is flawed, it shouldn't matter so much as long as the gameplay makes up for it. I don't care how the ratings should be weighted as long as the players play reasonably like themselves.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Poe