Built Ford Tough Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Which Western Conference Team Concerns You The Most? San Antonio SpursDallas MavericksPortland TrailblazersDenver NuggetsUtah JazzNew Orleans HornetsOther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Now: Spurs Future: Blazers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicbalala245 Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The Spurs are a legit threat to our throne in the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Spurs, always helps to have made it all the way, know what's required. That said I am very confident the Lakers get back to the finals unless injury hits at a bad time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Spurs, but Portland if they have home court somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I said Denver because I think Denver has the best chance at winning a game in LAL simply due to Billups leadership. Portland can only beat them in home games, and I don't trust the Spurs much longer. Never trust Mavs, Jazz, or Hornets. So I pick Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Honestly none of them are a threat. The Spurs concern me the most, but its very little concern. They got better, but so did we, and at the same position. The only team we have to worry about is the Celtics in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland's Finest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Celtics? Shouldn't you worry about the Magic? Look at what the Lakers did after losing the finals two years ago and how they handled the Celts. The Magic were 2-0 vs. LAL and lost a close Game 2 in the finals and could be like LAL and own the team they lost too in the finals the following regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Nahh Magic still cant beat us, especially without Turkoglu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 15, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Spurs, definitely, if Manu is healthy. That would be a seven-game series. I can't say I'm worried about Portland, because for one, we'd have home court...and also, it's an inexperienced team (in the playoffs). Things change drastically. Dallas will be tough, but I can't say I'm too concerned because Josh Howard isn't the all-star player he used to be, and Marion will always have trouble with Lamar. Utah and Denver don't have that player that can really tear us apart. New Orleans has Paul, but he's not enough to get it done, and none of those teams have an answer for Kobe or Gasol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 The Lakers have nothing to worry about, they already got Gasol in a very lopsided trade and with the help of the refs they are nearly unstoppable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 B.....get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Another fan who doesn't understand (or won't admit) why the Gasol trade went down? Follow the money Yugo. It's not about the players exchanged, it's about the contracts. Only Buss was willing to offer expiring and rookie contracts exclusively for Gasol. Every other offer included a contract Heisley didn't want. Other teams offered more talent but weren't willing to add 15M to their payroll the following year. Only Buss was willing to deal last years and rookies for a max player. Only Buss was willing to add 15M to his payroll. That and only that is why the deal went down. Everyone crying about lopsided trades are ignoring the reason why the trade was made. Money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Another fan who doesn't understand (or won't admit) why the Gasol trade went down? Follow the money Yugo. It's not about the players exchanged, it's about the contracts. Only Buss was willing to offer expiring and rookie contracts exclusively for Gasol. Every other offer included a contract Heisley didn't want. Other teams offered more talent but weren't willing to add 15M to their payroll the following year. Only Buss was willing to deal last years and rookies for a max player. Only Buss was willing to add 15M to his payroll. That and only that is why the deal went down. Everyone crying about lopsided trades are ignoring the reason why the trade was made. Money. .........I said the trade was lopsided, meaning the Lakers won it BIG time. YOU need to understand that the entire trade looks really bad on the Grizzlies part and the Lakers went from a decent team to a championship team, nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 18, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 the Lakers went from a decent team to a championship team, nuff said.They were a contender without Gasol. Denver won 54 games last season and hit the WCF. The Lakers were on pace to win 54 games right before Gasol's first game with us in 2008 (vs. the Hawks). We were 31-16, which included a 20-5 stretch of games without Gasol, where we went 11-1 (seven consecutive wins to start January). Funny enough, the Lakers were 9-8 by December 2nd. From that point on, we went 22-8 before Gasol came to the Lakers. That's on pace to win 60 games without Pau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 They were a contender without Gasol. Denver won 54 games last season and hit the WCF. The Lakers were on pace to win 54 games right before Gasol's first game with us in 2008 (vs. the Hawks). We were 31-16, which included a 20-5 stretch of games without Gasol, where we went 11-1 (seven consecutive wins to start January). Funny enough, the Lakers were 9-8 by December 2nd. From that point on, we went 22-8 before Gasol came to the Lakers. That's on pace to win 60 games without Pau. The Lakers benefited a lot from the improvement of Bynum, he never came back the same player. If you guys didnt get Gasol, you wouldnt have been even near a finals appeareance or have a championship last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 .........I said the trade was lopsided, meaning the Lakers won it BIG time. YOU need to understand that the entire trade looks really bad on the Grizzlies part and the Lakers went from a decent team to a championship team, nuff said. Of course the Lakers won it. But calling it lopsided and claiming it's unfair and makes Memphis look bad is only looking at it on the COURT when MONEY is why it was made. That's my point and what you are missing. Everyone that whines about that trade ignores it was made over money not talent. Buss was the only owner in the league willing to take on an extra 15M in his following year's payroll. Thas's why Gasol went to LA. Period end of story. You want to cry about it then ask Les Alexander why he wasn't willing to do that. Reinsdorf. Paul Allen. Cuban. The entire league knew what Heisley's price was. Only Buss was willing to pay it. Which means that landing Gasol was EARNED. By an owner who puts rings first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 18, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The Lakers benefited a lot from the improvement of Bynum, he never came back the same player. If you guys didnt get Gasol, you wouldnt have been even near a finals appeareance or have a championship last season.How do you know this to be true? I'm going to need proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 How do you know this to be true? I'm going to need proof. Proof? What you guys did before Gasol, nuff said. Kobe had to score 60 points to beat crappy teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bomba Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I'm glad Gasol's pansy [expletive] his gone. The deal isn't as bad as advertised. His brother is a few years from being an elite center in the NBA and he works twice as hard as Gasol does in the offseason. Also got two first round picks, one which turned out to be Darrel Arthur, who was supposed to be a top 10 pick before some so called concerns over his health, which never happened. Grizzlies also got two expirings. Gasol had a 15 million dollar contract and he's a second option at best. If we didn't trade Gasol we wouldn't of been able to trade for Mayo, who is a franchise player, unlike Gasol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 How Steve Nash, the media and every fan outside of LA views the Gasol trade:LA receives: Pau Gasol Memphis receives: Kwame Brown, Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, two #1s How Heisley viewed the trade:LA receives: $50M contractMemphis receives: Two rookie contracts totaling $5 million, expiring deals, and 3M cash thereby saving over $48 million in the deal, thereby giving him a better chance to sell the team. How every NBA owner but Buss viewed Heisley's demands:Memphis wants every cheap contract I have while I take on a max player, no way. I don't want to pay over 15M in luxury taxes for each of the next three years. What every NBA owner but Buss asked his GM to offer and why it was rejected:Some cheap contracts paired with a big one so that the next year's payroll only went up by $5 million. Heisley's savings on next year's payroll are far too low, offer is rejected even though the talent offered is better. What Buss did and why the trade was made:Offered only rookie contracts and expiring deals, therefore being willing to add 15M to next year's payroll. Something no other owner was willing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 How Steve Nash, the media and every fan outside of LA views the Gasol trade:LA receives: Pau Gasol Memphis receives: Kwame Brown, Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, two #1s How Heisley viewed the trade:LA receives: $50M contractMemphis receives: Two rookie contracts totaling $5 million, expiring deals, and 3M cash thereby saving over $48 million in the deal, thereby giving him a better chance to sell the team. How every NBA owner but Buss viewed Heisley's demands:Memphis wants every cheap contract I have while I take on a max player, no way. I don't want to pay over 15M in luxury taxes for each of the next three years. What every NBA owner but Buss asked his GM to offer and why it was rejected:Some cheap contracts paired with a big one so that the next year's payroll only went up by $5 million. Heisley's savings on next year's payroll are far too low, offer is rejected even though the talent offered is better. What Buss did and why the trade was made:Offered only rookie contracts and expiring deals, therefore being willing to add 15M to next year's payroll. Something no other owner was willing to do. What the trade got the Lakers: A ring and finals appearance. What the trade got the Grizzlies: A scrub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Fine and how was that accomplished? By an owner who puts rings above everything else, who was willing to pay the luxury taxes to do it, who was willing to make the fiscal sacrifice that no other owner in the league was willing to do. In other words he EARNED it. Part of why I love the Lakers is my franchise does things like this. Aggressive, smart. There's a reason LA has gone to half the finals since Buss took over the team. A big part of that reason is Buss. Smart aggressive, rings first, best owner in the league. Whine all you want. Money is why the deal was made not the talent exchanged. Anyone with a brain stem should see that. And yet all they do is whine about the talent exchanged and ignore the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Fine and how was that accomplished? By an owner who puts rings above everything else, who was willing to pay the luxury taxes to do it, who was willing to make the fiscal sacrifice that no other owner in the league was willing to do. In other words he EARNED it. Part of why I love the Lakers is my franchise does things like this. Aggressive, smart. There's a reason LA has gone to half the finals since Buss took over the team. A big part of that reason is Buss. Smart aggressive, rings first, best owner in the league. Whine all you want. Money is why the deal was made not the talent exchanged. Anyone with a brain stem should see that. And yet all they do is whine about the talent exchanged and ignore the money. Who cares about the money? The Grizzlies could have gotten hell of a lot more young talent than the scraps the Lakers gave them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Who cares about the money? Heisley. Who said do the deal? HeisleyHow could LA get Gasol for scraps? MONEY That's why the money matters. The money is the SOLE reason the trade was made. Do you honestly think Memphis made the deal to get Marc Gasol, Crittenon and picks? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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