Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Memphis could have gotten better young talent but every offer they received also required Memphis taking on an expensive long term contract. Every offer but one. And that is why that one team landed Pau Gasol and other teams offering better talent were rejected. Money money money monnnnnnnaaaaaaay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Memphis could have gotten better young talent but every offer they received also required Memphis taking on an expensive long term contract. Every offer but one. And that is why that one team landed Pau Gasol and other teams offering better talent were rejected. Money money money monnnnnnnaaaaaaay.  The Lakers won the trade regardless of what anyone says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Of course they won the trade but they won the trade because Buss saved Heisley nearly $50 million; that's why it was made, not the talent exchanged. Fan basis for evaluating the trade: exclusively on who offers the best talent.Heisley's basis for evaluating the trade: exclusively on which deal saves him the most money.Person who makes the call on what trade Memphis accepts: Heisley The Laker offer can't compete on talent but it was never intended to. Their offer focused on what Heisley wanted, not what fans demand, or what the media thinks. The Laker trade saved Heisley nearly $50 million and no other offer came remotely close. And that and only that is why Gasol went to LA. Not because Memphis is stupid, or feeling charitable toward LA, but because Memphis only cared about the money they saved and LA saved them the most - by a metric ton of cash. LA won the trade, LA gave scraps for an all-star. Yes. But how? Because their owner was the only one in the league willing to take a big long term tax hit for rings. Everyone knew the price, only Buss was willing to pay it. Edited October 18, 2009 by Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The Lakers won the trade regardless of what anyone says.Sooo?? Who won the KG trade? Who won the Ray Allen trade? Who won the Devin Harris trade? Did the Magic get Vince Carter for virtually nothing?  Are teams not allowed to win trades or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Sooo?? Who won the KG trade? Who won the Ray Allen trade? Who won the Devin Harris trade? Did the Magic get Vince Carter for virtually nothing?  Are teams not allowed to win trades or something? Read the entire thread. I stated that the trade was big time lopsided and hes debating it. Im not debating whether its fair to win trades, you mad about something brah'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Read the entire thread. I stated that the trade was big time lopsided and hes debating it. Im not debating whether its fair to win trades, you mad about something brah'?Hes making a good argument. The Grizzlies wanted expirings, rookie contracts, money. And they got a good young starting center whos already made a name for himself in this league. The trade worked out for both teams, it wasnt lopsided at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Bomba Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) I defending this trade just because the Grizzlies got what they wanted, which was cap relief. With that said, if we are basing this off a talent standpoint this was an absolute rape. The Bulls, for example, offered Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas which is a deal I would do any day of the week before this one. Edited October 18, 2009 by Poohdini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 18, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Haha...people are still whining. Boston snagged Garnett for Al Jefferson, and Ray Allen for a pick. I didn't see anyone punching babies for that trade when the Celtics won it all in 2008. In addition to that, everyone (including myself) was calling Gasol a soft player, saying how the trade didn't do anything but stick us in the Finals in 2008...but NOW, it's different, because we won. Didn't hear anyone whining about Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton, because they lost in 2004. Didn't hear anyone whine about Carter to Orlando, because they haven't won anything with him. Didn't hear anyone whine about Shaq to Cleveland for a worthless Big Ben, because they haven't won anything with him. Didn't hear anyone whine about Shaq to Phoenix with Nash and Amare, since they didn't win. Boo hoo. If your team had a true superstar and a winner, and a smart owner, with a history of winning, and played in a great city, I guess you wouldn't be whining, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Haha...people are still whining. Boston snagged Garnett for Al Jefferson, and Ray Allen for a pick. I didn't see anyone punching babies for that trade when the Celtics won it all in 2008. In addition to that, everyone (including myself) was calling Gasol a soft player, saying how the trade didn't do anything but stick us in the Finals in 2008...but NOW, it's different, because we won. Didn't hear anyone whining about Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton, because they lost in 2004. Didn't hear anyone whine about Carter to Orlando, because they haven't won anything with him. Didn't hear anyone whine about Shaq to Cleveland for a worthless Big Ben, because they haven't won anything with him. Didn't hear anyone whine about Shaq to Phoenix with Nash and Amare, since they didn't win. Boo hoo. If your team had a true superstar and a winner, and a smart owner, with a history of winning, and played in a great city, I guess you wouldn't be whining, either. Everyone was "whining" about the trade from the start before Gasol even played a game with LA. Not sure what your talking about implying the whining started only when they won the title. Al Jefferson is a 20-10 bigman who is much younger and could be starting for the Western Conference All-stars at Center this year. Nobody cares about Vince Carter because Orlando actually had to give up key guys in order to acquire him and they also lost Turkoglu. Shaq is way past his prime at 37. Memphis traded Gasol who didn't even reach the prime of his career at the time. And most people thought that Phoenix got owned in the Shaq trade from the beginning anyway. Payton and Malone signed as free agents and were on their last legs. Trading an all-star who is reaching the prime of his career for a bunch of guys that didn't even contribute on the team is why it is the most lopsided trade. Kwame Brown was the biggest contributor that LA had to give up in that trade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 It was a lopsided trade because Heisley preferred saving money over talent. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 It was a lopsided trade because Heisley preferred saving money over talent. Period.  No. It was a lopsided trade because they got Kwame Brown in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 18, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Everyone was "whining" about the trade from the start before Gasol even played a game with LA. Not sure what your talking about implying the whining started only when they won the title. Al Jefferson is a 20-10 bigman who is much younger and could be starting for the Western Conference All-stars at Center this year. Nobody cares about Vince Carter because Orlando actually had to give up key guys in order to acquire him and they also lost Turkoglu. Shaq is way past his prime at 37. Memphis traded Gasol who didn't even reach the prime of his career at the time. And most people thought that Phoenix got owned in the Shaq trade from the beginning anyway. Payton and Malone signed as free agents and were on their last legs. Trading an all-star who is reaching the prime of his career for a bunch of guys that didn't even contribute on the team is why it is the most lopsided trade. Kwame Brown was the biggest contributor that LA had to give up in that trade...The Lakers were already contenders without Gasol, so all of that is irrelevant. And Slaven, you're saying that Kwame is more valuable than Marc Gasol? Figures. You've always been the best at judging talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The reason they got Kwame Brown was because of Heisley only valuing money. Heisley didn't see Kwame Brown, scrub. He saw an expiring contract. You continue to ignore the money by harping exclusively on the talent exchanged when the money is the reason for all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I honestly dont know what you guys are debating, the trade is lopsided no matter how much you stretch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 What I'm debating Yugo is the notion that the trade was a gift, an act of kindness and stupidity by Memphis, that LA lucked into a ring through this deal, that the championship has a big fat asterisk on it because of Gasol. All of which is an attempt by bitter fans of other teams to cheapen the ring.  The trade was earned by Buss being the only owner in the league willing to take the long term tax hit, the only owner in the league willing to save Heisley nearly $50 million when every other offer was reportedly in the 20s. Only focusing on the talent exchanged ignores why the trade was made.  You want to argue the trade was lopsided in talent exchanghed of course it was.You want to argue Memphis was stupid that's ignoring the money utterly.You want to argue LA got a gift and this puts an asterisk on the ring that completely ignores the sacrifice Buss made, the commitment of the franchise to championships, and that every other owner in the league had the opportunity to get Gasol but refused due to the tax hit. LA went out and got Gasol by saving Heisley more than double what the rest of the league was willing to offer. But you choose to ignore that by focusing just on the talent every time. The money made the deal happen. Buss did what no other owner in the league was willing to do, that is earning the trade. No gifts, no asterisks, just an owner truly committed to rings first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 What I'm debating Yugo is the notion that the trade was a gift, an act of kindness and stupidity by Memphis, that LA lucked into a ring through this deal, that the championship has a big fat asterisk on it because of Gasol. All of which is an attempt by bitter fans of other teams to cheapen the ring.  The trade was earned by Buss being the only owner in the league willing to take the long term tax hit, the only owner in the league willing to save Heisley nearly $50 million when every other offer was reportedly in the 20s. Only focusing on the talent exchanged ignores why the trade was made.  You want to argue the trade was lopsided in talent exchanghed of course it was.You want to argue Memphis was stupid that's ignoring the money utterly.You want to argue LA got a gift and this puts an asterisk on the ring that completely ignores the sacrifice Buss made, the commitment of the franchise to championships, and that every other owner in the league had the opportunity to get Gasol but refused due to the tax hit. LA went out and got Gasol by saving Heisley more than double what the rest of the league was willing to offer. But you choose to ignore that by focusing just on the talent every time. The money made the deal happen. Buss did what no other owner in the league was willing to do, that is earning the trade. No gifts, no asterisks, just an owner truly committed to rings first. When did I ever say this trade was a gift, an asterisk needs to be placed, etc. You are just making up stuff now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 You said Memphis was stupid which clearly implies gift. The rest of what I said is not a statement toward you specifically but the criticism of the Gasol deal generally. As a Laker fan I've heard it constantly and every time it's by a fan that refuses to acknowledge money is why the deal happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 You said Memphis was stupid which clearly implies gift. The rest of what I said is not a statement toward you specifically but the criticism of the Gasol deal generally. As a Laker fan I've heard it constantly and every time it's by a fan that refuses to acknowledge money is why the deal happened. It was a gift with sort of a catch. IT doesnt matter why the trade happened and because of what it happened, the Lakers still ripped the Grizzlies off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Of course it matters why it happened. It was a ripoff in talent but it saved Memphis $50 million which is why they did it. And because Buss was willing to do what no other owner in the league was willing to do the trade was earned. It just wasn't earned in the way YOU value it. Unfortunately for you Heisley has different priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Dre Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 i'm surprised at most of you saying san antonio. we usually seem to pull it out against them when it matters, but who scares me is portland. we have such a hard time winning there and even when we are at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Actually the Lakers were the ones who were ripped off....financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 You know you're a laker fan when you cant realize that the Gasol trade was lopsided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Was the Ray Allen trade lopsided also? Â Ray Allen is a future hall of famer btw, Pau Gasol is not. You can [expletive] about that trade all you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Lopsided yes, gift no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YugoRocketsFan Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Was the Ray Allen trade lopsided also?  Ray Allen is a future hall of famer btw, Pau Gasol is not. You can [expletive] about that trade all you want. lol. Dude why are you even comparing this, the Thunder got Jeff Green a pretty good young pick plus some other crap that I cant remember. The Celtics also got an old Ray Allen, the Grizzlies gave up an All-star for Kwame Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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