Why do people choose to be atheist?

[Real Deal]

If God created us whenever the Earth was created, what was he doing before then?

I don't know, but you still didn't answer how a simple particle can appear out of nothing, just like we can't tell you how God just appeared.

 

But someday, I'm sure we'll run into a scientist who finds a rock that was created before the Earth, which will store information about how the universe just appeared.

 

If there is no proof that God exists, then he doesn't exist. That's atheism. There's also no proof that life on other planets exists, so that's not possible.

 

My question lies with cause. There has to be some exception, some cause that doesn't need another to be effective. So humans came from our planet, and our planet comes from rocks, and those rocks came from particles, and the particles come from...? Light and energy? Where did the light and energy come from? What caused that?

 

Science will never, ever, ever prove it to be true. Science also has no answer for how a child knows right and wrong, feels love, feels hatred or sadness, feels happy, feels fear. Science doesn't tell us why it's only humans who question life. Science is stumped by the perfection of the Earth, and the consistency at which things happen. We have the most advanced technology ever, and thousands of years to develop it, but we still can't create a retina for an eye, let alone duplicate anything on this planet without the use of seeds (plants) or pregnancy (humans). We still can't create something out of nothing. We can't find a planet like ours. We can't live on any other planet we've discovered to date. We've yet to find a way to create an animal or a human, or even a plant, from a rock. Humans have NEVER sat outside and suddenly witnessed particles, in the air, collide and create a plant, animal or human right before our eyes.

 

In a world with trillions of species, elements, and different types of matter and particles, we've seen absolutely no inconsistencies. Nothing disappears, nothing creates itself out of nowhere, nothing changes its identity right before your eyes without a cause (ex. progression of life), and if nothing has a purpose, what's the point of living? Why the fear? Why love? Why hate? Why question anything? Why learn? Why enjoy life?

 

Such a consistent place Earth is, for such an inconsistent, chaotic way of beginning.

[YugoRocketsFan]

I don't know, but you still didn't answer how a simple particle can appear out of nothing, just like we can't tell you how God just appeared.

 

But someday, I'm sure we'll run into a scientist who finds a rock that was created before the Earth, which will store information about how the universe just appeared.

 

If there is no proof that God exists, then he doesn't exist. That's atheism. There's also no proof that life on other planets exists, so that's not possible.

 

My question lies with cause. There has to be some exception, some cause that doesn't need another to be effective. So humans came from our planet, and our planet comes from rocks, and those rocks came from particles, and the particles come from...? Light and energy? Where did the light and energy come from? What caused that?

 

Science will never, ever, ever prove it to be true. Science also has no answer for how a child knows right and wrong, feels love, feels hatred or sadness, feels happy, feels fear. Science doesn't tell us why it's only humans who question life. Science is stumped by the perfection of the Earth, and the consistency at which things happen. We have the most advanced technology ever, and thousands of years to develop it, but we still can't create a retina for an eye, let alone duplicate anything on this planet without the use of seeds (plants) or pregnancy (humans). We still can't create something out of nothing. We can't find a planet like ours. We can't live on any other planet we've discovered to date. We've yet to find a way to create an animal or a human, or even a plant, from a rock. Humans have NEVER sat outside and suddenly witnessed particles, in the air, collide and create a plant, animal or human right before our eyes.

 

In a world with trillions of species, elements, and different types of matter and particles, we've seen absolutely no inconsistencies. Nothing disappears, nothing creates itself out of nowhere, nothing changes its identity right before your eyes without a cause (ex. progression of life), and if nothing has a purpose, what's the point of living? Why the fear? Why love? Why hate? Why question anything? Why learn? Why enjoy life?

 

Such a consistent place Earth is, for such an inconsistent, chaotic way of beginning.

 

And this brings me to my question. How do you know God did it?

[Real Deal]

And this brings me to my question. How do you know God did it?

I can't prove it, but there has to be something or someone of a higher, unexplainable power that did.

 

How do you know that God didn't do it? Because you didn't see it? Who saw how the Earth was created?

[YugoRocketsFan]

I can't prove it, but there has to be something or someone of a higher, unexplainable power that did.

 

How do you know that God didn't do it? Because you didn't see it? Who saw how the Earth was created?

I know a God didnt do it because God was invented by humans. If the God you believe in is real, and the Earth is lets say 4.6 Billion years old, why did it take him so long to have this son called Jesus Christ and tell everyone that he is real.

[GamerGuy]

I know a God didnt do it because God was invented by humans. If the God you believe in is real, and the Earth is lets say 4.6 Billion years old, why did it take him so long to have this son called Jesus Christ and tell everyone that he is real.

Evolution was invented by humans, so you basically don't believe in anything that humans came up with?

[YugoRocketsFan]

Evolution was invented by humans, so you basically don't believe in anything that humans came up with?

 

Evolution wasnt invented by humans, it was discovered by humans through research

Edited October 18, 2009 by YugoRocketsFan

[Real Deal]

I know a God didnt do it because God was invented by humans. If the God you believe in is real, and the Earth is lets say 4.6 Billion years old, why did it take him so long to have this son called Jesus Christ and tell everyone that he is real.

Now wait. Science was invented by humans as well. So were statistics. I'm guessing all stats and science are irrelevant now, right?

[Real Deal]

Evolution wasnt invented by humans, it was discovered by humans through research

Research is created by humans...or a rock. You tell me.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Now wait. Science was invented by humans as well. So were statistics. I'm guessing all stats and science are irrelevant now, right?

 

Just because something applies to one thing doesnt mean it applies to another. You cant put a piece of a puzzle on one board and expect it to fit on another.

[Real Deal]

Just because something applies to one thing doesnt mean it applies to another. You cant put a piece of a puzzle on one board and expect it to fit on another.

Ah, good one...except it's the same logic. You say humans created God, which means he doesn't exist. If that's your proof, then it means that every human-created thing does not exist.

 

If we're expected to choose our words wisely, you should do the same. Either you have a better reason that doesn't stump the Big Bang Theory or Evolution...or you don't...simple as that.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Ah, good one...except it's the same logic. You say humans created God, which means he doesn't exist. If that's your proof, then it means that every human-created thing does not exist.

 

If we're expected to choose our words wisely, you should do the same. Either you have a better reason that doesn't stump the Big Bang Theory or Evolution...or you don't...simple as that.

 

Like I said, using logic on a totally different subject doesnt make sense what-so-ever.

 

Evolution is a fact, Big Bang theory? I dont agree with that either.

 

We will never know how the Earth was created but this all-loving god people believe in is a myth, god not existing is a fact.

[Real Deal]

Like I said, using logic on a totally different subject doesnt make sense what-so-ever.

 

Evolution is a fact, Big Bang theory? I dont agree with that either.

 

We will never know how the Earth was created but this all-loving god people believe in is a myth, god not existing is a fact.

Well when you ask about Zeus, expect all of us to answer you by saying not all pieces of one puzzle fit on another.

 

A fact is proven to be true. Until you prove to me that God doesn't exist, and cite examples explaining how the universe was created, your opinion is as good as mine, and we're still at square one.

[MainEv3nt]

most people are atheist cus its the cool thing to do.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Well when you ask about Zeus, expect all of us to answer you by saying not all pieces of one puzzle fit on another.

 

A fact is proven to be true. Until you prove to me that God doesn't exist, and cite examples explaining how the universe was created, your opinion is as good as mine, and we're still at square one.

 

God not existing is a fact because there is no evidence. Something which has no evidence isnt real.

[OldChili]

A fact is proven to be true. Until you prove to me that God doesn't exist, and cite examples explaining how the universe was created, your opinion is as good as mine, and we're still at square one.

Cause that makes total sense.

 

There's a lot of things in this world we can't prove, does that make them true? Can you prove to me a big pile of pink [expletive] that can't be seen, touched, felt, etc. doesn't exist? I thought not. Does that mean it exists? No. If billions of people believed in it, would that mean it exists? No.

 

After all, a few hundred years ago almost everybody believed the earth was flat. I mean, they had no way to prove that it wasn't at that time. Did that make it true? No.

Edited October 18, 2009 by OldChili

[moeroadkill]

There's a lot of things in this world we can't prove, does that make them true? Can you prove to me a big pile of pink [expletive] that can't be seen, touched, felt, etc. doesn't exist? I thought not. Does that mean it exists? No. If billions of people believed in it, would that mean it exists? No.

wat if it died?

[Mac Dre]

i think the best religion is to not believe anything. read my post on page 6 for clarification. why do we NEED to know how the world was created? why do we NEED to know the meaning of life? we came here in an amazing way, like it or not, either by evolution and science or by myths. sure, science may be more logical, but that has nothing to do with anything.

 

this leads me to a thought....

 

what is the purpose of religion?

[Sun Tzu]

I didn't choose to have no religion, I guess it's something my parents came up upon. I went to a catholic for two years and eventually went back to my old school, only because my mum didn't see where she was spending the money when I wasn't learning or benefiting from going there.

[Jenneral]

this leads me to a thought....

 

what is the purpose of religion?

To keep a society in order and under control. Think about it, ancient societies would have created this to avoid revolt and being overthrown. Same thing in today's society. Just the slight thought of there being something better after this keeps many people from doing terrible things.

[Doc]

Everyone has their option and own belief. How do you know that God is real, how about if we are wrong? How about if Buddism is the way or the Jewish way is right? Everyone is allow to believe because there is really no sure thing about this.

[Years]

Me I don't think I'd consider myself an atheist completely but my reason for not being religious Is I've been a good person all my life and my life just went horrible with medical problems and such so what reason do I have to believe?

 

Though that was 2 years ago

[Universe]

I went to the catholic school and got to see it first hand and I still don't beleieve. It's just something people use to be grateful for. If a man is rich it's because of god but if a man is poor, it's because god wants him that way. You can swing religion anyway possible.

 

It's funny how more violence has been shed because of religion because there is so many adaptations on what god is. What if the terrorists are right and god does not like America? What happens if Jesus 2.0 comes down and gangs up on Americans? Do Americans stop believing in god?

 

I respect everyones decision on what they choose because that's whats great about living. You pick what you can do and sometimes you can't pick much in some countries but you can choose and if you want to pray every Sunday thinking that will make death and luck so much better than I respect that people care that much.

[Real Deal]

God not existing is a fact because there is no evidence. Something which has no evidence isnt real.

There are scriptures from people that you don't know. That's the same amount of evidence as a scientist reading a rock and telling you the Earth is older than what the Bible says it is.

 

Cause that makes total sense.

 

There's a lot of things in this world we can't prove, does that make them true? Can you prove to me a big pile of pink [expletive] that can't be seen, touched, felt, etc. doesn't exist? I thought not. Does that mean it exists? No. If billions of people believed in it, would that mean it exists? No.

 

After all, a few hundred years ago almost everybody believed the earth was flat. I mean, they had no way to prove that it wasn't at that time. Did that make it true? No.

I can use that same logic. Prove to me that you can spread a disease...because maybe they can't be spread. Maybe it's just a coincidence that you get sick when around others. What exactly can you show me that proves otherwise? Same make up? How do you know, really? Science is created by man.

 

If science was so accurate, why are theories proven false? They are developed because they are believed to be true, but then...they aren't?

 

And for your example, how do you know it doesn't exist? I'm sure all of these colliding particles around us can create something you've never seen before, you know, all of these miniature big bangs going off in our presence, creating insects, flowers, rocks, planets and humans.

 

Great explanation for everything, isn't it? Just as believable as God. POOF! A new boy, but with horse legs. Damn particles! Us Christians can throw the same ridiculous stones (and can probably find a lot of them to throw if we snag them out of thin air). Weird that those collisions never happen...ever. Just when the Earth was created, and then when other things were created...but so long ago, we've never seen them. Must not be true!

 

Something more powerful than you created the Earth. It was God, it was light and energy, it was something, and until you can prove to me it was whatever you think it is, you have the same amount of proof I do, which (according to you) makes you wrong.

[YugoRocketsFan]

There are scriptures from people that you don't know. That's the same amount of evidence as a scientist reading a rock and telling you the Earth is older than what the Bible says it is.

 

 

I can use that same logic. Prove to me that you can spread a disease...because maybe they can't be spread. Maybe it's just a coincidence that you get sick when around others. What exactly can you show me that proves otherwise? Same make up? How do you know, really? Science is created by man.

 

If science was so accurate, why are theories proven false? They are developed because they are believed to be true, but then...they aren't?

 

And for your example, how do you know it doesn't exist? I'm sure all of these colliding particles around us can create something you've never seen before, you know, all of these miniature big bangs going off in our presence, creating insects, flowers, rocks, planets and humans.

 

Great explanation for everything, isn't it? Just as believable as God. POOF! A new boy, but with horse legs. Damn particles! Us Christians can throw the same ridiculous stones (and can probably find a lot of them to throw if we snag them out of thin air). Weird that those collisions never happen...ever. Just when the Earth was created, and then when other things were created...but so long ago, we've never seen them. Must not be true!

 

Something more powerful than you created the Earth. It was God, it was light and energy, it was something, and until you can prove to me it was whatever you think it is, you have the same amount of proof I do, which (according to you) makes you wrong.

 

The Earth is older than than the bible say it is easily.

 

Dinosaurs alone prove that the Bible's age of the Earth is wrong. Scientists also actually study the rock, know where they find it, all that other good stuff. All religious texts make up some bull and expect people to believe it.

[Real Deal]

I'm done with the debate. I'm going to go eat lunch, see if I can create it using nothing.