Ron Artest vs Trevor Ariza tracker

[Be Like Mike]

Thru 6 games:

 

Artest:

 

13.2 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.2 apg

43.5 FG%, 39.3% from three

 

Ariza:

 

20.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4 apg

42 FG%, 46% from three

 

I know its early but Ariza is killing ron in every single statistical category. Did LA make a huge mistake choosing ron over trevor? Discuss

 

Update: Artest has picked it up from the last few games. Numbers looking a lot sexier now but I doubt it'll stick when Pau comes back.

Edited November 7, 2009 by Be Like Mike

[Poe]

Stats are overrated. Ariza is the #1 option and Artest is the #4 option. Ariza sees the ball more than Artest, so of course his offensive stats are going to be inflated a bit.

 

What you should really compare is the stats between Ariza playing for the Rockets this year to Artest's stats for the Rockets last year, and vise versa for their production on the Lakers team, but even that can be misleading.

[kingfish]

Nahh rather have Artest because he can shut down elite SF's. Ariza gets lit up by guys like Travis Outlaw and Michael Finley, as well as any SF on a playoff team. Artest will be our MVP come playoff time.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Nahh rather have Artest because he can shut down elite SF's. Ariza gets lit up by guys like Travis Outlaw and Michael Finley, as well as any SF on a playoff team. Artest will be our MVP come playoff time.

people never learn.

[Revis Island]

I said this in another thread, but I actually wanted the swap Artest for Ariza before it actually happened. I would have been content and I thought the Lakers would be morons if they did it and they did.

 

Nobody on the Lakers can do what Ariza did for them last season, Only Kobe, but Kobe needs to play like Kobe too. Artest isn't Ariza, the only thing Artest does better than Ariza are intangibles and strength.

 

I love Ron, but he's declining. He's an above average defender....AT BEST.

[YugoRocketsFan]

I said this in another thread, but I actually wanted the swap Artest for Ariza before it actually happened. I would have been content and I thought the Lakers would be morons if they did it and they did.

 

Nobody on the Lakers can do what Ariza did for them last season, Only Kobe, but Kobe needs to play like Kobe too. Artest isn't Ariza, the only thing Artest does better than Ariza are intangibles and strength.

 

I love Ron, but he's declining. He's an above average defender....AT BEST.

 

I dont like to agree with PFG because hes an appalling human being.

 

But he isnt lying, Artest is overrated defensively and got owned by Brandon Roy.

[Lkr]

Through 3 games I'm not worried. He'll gel better once Pau is back

[Guest Nissan]

I said this in another thread, but I actually wanted the swap Artest for Ariza before it actually happened. I would have been content and I thought the Lakers would be morons if they did it and they did.

 

Nobody on the Lakers can do what Ariza did for them last season, Only Kobe, but Kobe needs to play like Kobe too. Artest isn't Ariza, the only thing Artest does better than Ariza are intangibles and strength.

 

I love Ron, but he's declining. He's an above average defender....AT BEST.

Hahahah... Ariza was a role player on the Lakers and he was overrated by Laker fans. Ron Ron is a better overrall player than Ariza, better offensive player, and better defensive player.

 

How many defensive teams has Ariza made in his life? Ariza is an overrated man to man defender... Ariza plays the passing lanes well, but has trouble stopping a very good offensive player one on one, or in the post. You forgot Melo had his way with Ariza in the playoffs and people begged Phil to play Luke.

 

Anyone can put up numbers when your #1 and #2 options are out and you have the green light to shoot every time you have the ball.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Hahahah... Ariza was a role player on the Lakers and he was overrated by Laker fans. Ron Ron is a better overrall player than Ariza, better offensive player, and better defensive player.

 

How many defensive teams has Ariza made in his life? Ariza is an overrated man to man defender... Ariza plays the passing lanes well, but has trouble stopping a very good offensive player one on one, or in the post. You forgot Melo had his way with Ariza in the playoffs and people begged Phil to play Luke.

 

Anyone can put up numbers when your #1 and #2 options are out and you have the green light to shoot every time you have the ball.

 

 

You obviously have as much knowledge of basketball as my grandmother.

 

Ron may be better right now but he is 31 while Ariza is 24, most people would rather have Ariza.

 

Defensive teams? Hes freaking 24. Artest is 31, 7 year difference. Ariza might have had trouble with Melo, but Artest had trouble with Roy.

 

The greenlight? Ok brah, Ariza has taken twice as many shots as Artest and still manages to put 50% in for both 3pt and overall field goal percentage while Artest is shooting a spectacular 25% and getting 7 ppg, WHAT A BEAST. Artest sucks, you are welcome for our trojan horse...er i mean gift.

[Real Deal]

In Ariza's first three games with us (in 07-08), he shot 2-5, 2 PPG. A few games later, he followed up a 5-5 shooting performance against a defenseless Wolves team by shooting 1-6 against the Spurs.

 

But let me just go through the 2008-09 season from last year.

 

1-3 FG @ DEN

2-6 FG vs. HOU

0-5 FG vs. CHI

2-6 FG vs. MIL

2-10 FG @ SAC

2-9 FG vs. PHX

2-6 FG @ ORL

1-4 FG @ MEM

1-3 FG vs. BOS

0-3 FG vs. POR

3-10 FG vs. NOH

1-4 FG vs. MIA

2-7 FG vs. ORL

0-6 FG @ LAC

0-1 FG vs. CHA

0-2 FG @ TOR

1-5 FG @ BOS

4-10 FG vs. ATL

2-5 FG vs. NOH

2-6 FG @ MIN

3-9 FG vs. PHX

0-6 FG @ DEN

3-8 FG @ PHX

0-6 FG vs. MEM

3-8 FG vs. MIN

1-4 FG @ POR

(7-32 in those four above, all consecutive games)

3-11 FG @ ATL

2-9 FG @ CHA

1-6 FG vs. HOU

4-10 FG vs. LAC

1-8 FG vs. DEN

 

31 of Ariza's 82 games, he shot pathetic from the floor. I left out a few 42% shooting nights just because I took everything in the 30's or lower, maybe two 40% nights.

 

And this is from an Ariza that was wide open almost all the time.

 

Let's not overrate what Ariza did for us on offense last year.

 

And as far as defense goes, after watching Melo, Turkoglu and others torch him after all of his gambling and his weak upper body getting thrashed down low, we aren't missing out.

[Revis Island]

Ariza's not a great man to man defender, I can admit that. But he's a more versatile defender than Artest that's for sure. And Ariza is MUCH better and I mean MUCH better when it comes down to reading the passing lanes. Artest is just too laterally slow to guard elite players now.

Edited November 3, 2009 by ClutchCityOwns

[Dash]

Hahahah... Ariza was a role player on the Lakers and he was overrated by Laker fans. Ron Ron is a better overrall player than Ariza, better offensive player, and better defensive player.

 

How many defensive teams has Ariza made in his life? Ariza is an overrated man to man defender... Ariza plays the passing lanes well, but has trouble stopping a very good offensive player one on one, or in the post. You forgot Melo had his way with Ariza in the playoffs and people begged Phil to play Luke.

Anyone can put up numbers when your #1 and #2 options are out and you have the green light to shoot every time you have the ball.

 

Artest had the green light in the playoffs and didn't shoot 50% from the field like Ariza.

 

Just saying.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Artest had the green light in the playoffs and didn't shoot 50% from the field like Ariza.

 

Just saying.

 

He didnt even shoot 30% lmao.

[Real Deal]

I'm sure it's pretty easy to shoot 50% against Kobe Bryant and Brandon Roy in 13 consecutive playoff games.

[YugoRocketsFan]

I'm sure it's pretty easy to shoot 50% against Kobe Bryant and Brandon Roy in 13 consecutive playoff games.

 

Funny considering Ariza scored 33 against the Blazers.

[Real Deal]

Funny considering Ariza scored 33 against the Blazers.

Haha, that's funny, because Ron scored 27 against them in Game 6 as a second option. I don't get impressed with single-game performances.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Haha, that's funny, because Ron scored 27 against them in Game 6 as a second option. I don't get impressed with single-game performances.

 

A broken clock is correct twice a day. He has been crappy his entire career in the playoffs.

[Sky]

A false choice is implied. General Lee refused to sign at the start of free agency for MLE money. "No hometown discounts!" and all that. Fool wanted 7-8M per so Kupchak brought Artest in. If Lee was willing to sign for MLE money then Ariza would have remained a Laker. There was no choice. At the time Lee refused to take what LA was willing to pay.

 

Artest can still work out well, particularly on D against bigger 3's like LeBron, Pierce and Melo. Ariza was great in the playoffs but he didn't have defensive success against the big three while Artest has a much better chance of containing them. That's Ron's primary value, matching up defensively against the top opponents with a ring on the line.

[YugoRocketsFan]

A false choice is implied. General Lee refused to sign at the start of free agency for MLE money. "No hometown discounts!" and all that. Fool wanted 7-8M per so Kupchak brought Artest in. If Lee was willing to sign for MLE money then Ariza would have remained a Laker. There was no choice. At the time Lee refused to take what LA was willing to pay.

 

Artest can still work out well, particularly on D against bigger 3's like LeBron, Pierce and Melo. Ariza was great in the playoffs but he didn't have defensive success against the big three while Artest has a much better chance of containing them. That's Ron's primary value, matching up defensively against the top opponents with a ring on the line.

 

Im so confused, who is Lee?

[Sky]

Lee is Ariza's idiot agent. Bomb thrower.

[Lemon]

Ariza's not a great man to man defender, I can admit that. But he's a more versatile defender than Artest that's for sure. And Ariza is MUCH better and I mean MUCH better when it comes down to reading the passing lanes. Artest is just too laterally slow to guard elite players now.

 

Artest's overall game complements our team better than Ariza. I'm happy for Houston that ARiza is starting to break out, but knowing what I know now, I would still make this trade. We need Artest's defensive presence more than we need Ariza's fantastic role playing. Looking at our team before the trade you would still see a "soft" team, despite the talks about us overcoming that. But looking at our team now, there's no way you'd want to push around this team and that was a problem against the Nuggets and Boston. And scoring shouldn't even be a stat to compare since Lakers are filled with prolific scorers. Artest's defense became evident against Atlanta when he shut down J Johnson's hot hand. With Ariza around we would have been overwhelmed. As for Brandon Roy? Kobe can get him. It'd be a slow paced game anyway. Artest complements us better than Ariza while Houston needs Ariza more.

 

Although it would be great to have kept him while still having Artest . He's turning out to be quite a sharp shooter, but you can't have everything.

Edited November 3, 2009 by GogglesNaproN

[YugoRocketsFan]

Artest's overall game complements our team better than Ariza. I'm happy for Houston that ARiza is starting to break out, but knowing what I know now, I would still make this trade. We need Artest's defensive presence more than we need Ariza's fantastic role playing. Looking at our team before the trade you would still see a "soft" team, despite the talks about us overcoming that. But looking at our team now, there's no way you'd want to push around this team and that was a problem against the Nuggets and Boston. And scoring shouldn't even be a stat to compare since Lakers are filled with prolific scorers. Artest's defense became evident against Atlanta when he shut down J Johnson's hot hand. With Ariza around we would have been overwhelmed. As for Brandon Roy? Kobe can get him. It'd be a slow paced game anyway. Artest complements us better than Ariza while Houston needs Ariza more.

 

Although it would be great to have kept him while still having Artest . He's turning out to be quite a sharp shooter, but you can't have everything.

 

Artest's overall game complements your team better? WHAT? You guys won a ring with Ariza. The team before the trade won a ring, who cares if they were considered soft. Artest also didnt do something to Joe Johnson that Ariza wouldnt have done, considering that Ariza has trouble with players who drive in and not players who play a majority of the time at the perimeter, scoring should always be considered because Ariza is playing out of his mind and shooting 50% while Artest has been scoring as much as 10th man on the bench and his field goal % is very reminiscent to Rafer Alston's. I am seriously happy that Artest is on the Lakers, it is what it is, sometimes I wonder if people see the world in a different dimension than I do because i know only the smart Laker fans want Ariza back.

[Sky]

Ariza > Artest against every opponent except Boston, Cleveland and Denver. Three of the five contenders in getting through the west and the finals. The Lakers lucked into Orlando in the finals, was the best matchup for them. They aren't anticipating the same luck this year.

 

Doesn't matter anyway. Lee made sure that re-signing Ariza was not an option. All LA could do was Artest and he'll do enough to get them a ring.

Edited November 3, 2009 by Sky

[YugoRocketsFan]

Ariza > Artest against every opponent except Boston, Cleveland and Denver. Three of the five contenders in getting through the west and the finals. The Lakers lucked into Orlando in the finals, was the best matchup for them. They aren't anticipating the same luck this year.

 

Doesn't matter anyway. Lee made sure that re-signing Ariza was not an option. All LA could do was Artest and he'll do enough to get them a ring.

 

If enough is 30% shooting and terrible play in the playoffs, then sure.

[Lemon]

Artest's overall game complements your team better? WHAT? You guys won a ring with Ariza. The team before the trade won a ring, who cares if they were considered soft. Artest also didnt do something to Joe Johnson that Ariza wouldnt have done, considering that Ariza has trouble with players who drive in and not players who play a majority of the time at the perimeter, scoring should always be considered because Ariza is playing out of his mind and shooting 50% while Artest has been scoring as much as 10th man on the bench and his field goal % is very reminiscent to Rafer Alston's. I am seriously happy that Artest is on the Lakers, it is what it is, sometimes I wonder if people see the world in a different dimension than I do because i know only the smart Laker fans want Ariza back.

 

I'll assume that you didn't see when Lakers played the hawks. Kobe guarded Joe Johnson in the first quarter when he had the hot hand. He made 7 for 8. Later, Artest switched to defend J Johnson and the result was 1 for 8. Now you can't tell me that Ariza is a better defender than Kobe. Kobe can defend players that Ariza defends but better. These players are quick players, and Lakers have never had a problem with those types. As for bigger players, you should know how well Lebron does against Artest as a Rocket fan, and that's what I mean about complementing our team. There's not too many players at all who can go through Kobe then go through Artest consistently.

 

The only reason why you think Artest is overrated defensively is because he was a main scoring option in Houston. Here we tell him to be a defensive specialist. There's no way you can do both assignments expecting to maximize the potential in both. We're not telling him to score the most points on the team while also guarding Kobe. We have 3 to 4 scoring options that want touches ahead of Artest and that's why I'm disregarding scoring. We have our scoring aspect down. We want defense.

 

And of course we want Ariza. I'd be crazy to pass him up. He's honestly better than any of our 3 point "specialist." But you can't have everything. It's just that we need Artest's defense more.