Guest N4S Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I was thinking about how the MLB can be more fair and balanced. We always here about the big name team specifically the Yankees spending too much on their free agency sprees. But there is also problems were there are many teams that don't try to spend money and are happy with the money the team is bringing without being competitive. Whether it's ticket sales, team logo t-shirts, or hot dogs being bought during the games. Could these teams be just as big as the problem with the teams that spend the cash? The players association will never agree on a salary cap. So think makes me think there could be another way. There should be a luxury tax for teams that spend over a certain point. However there should also be a luxury tax for teams that do NOT spend up until a certain point. This could and would possibly make the MLB more competitive in my opinion. What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I was thinking about how the MLB can be more fair and balanced. We always here about the big name team specifically the Yankees spending too much on their free agency sprees. But there is also problems were there are many teams that don't try to spend money and are happy with the money the team is bringing without being competitive. Whether it's ticket sales, team logo t-shirts, or hot dogs being bought during the games. Could these teams be just as big as the problem with the teams that spend the cash? The players association will never agree on a salary cap. So think makes me think there could be another way. There should be a luxury tax for teams that spend over a certain point. However there should also be a luxury tax for teams that do NOT spend up until a certain point. This could and would possibly make the MLB more competitive in my opinion. What are your thoughts? Some teams don't have a big enough market to spend big money on players and then make it all up with revenue. There already is a luxury tax in baseball and a salary cap would never work because the players association would shoot that down instantly. The way the game works is just fine. I think the biggest issue in baseball is the length of the game and getting more inner city kids involved in the game at a young age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 And if anything, the Yankees first title in 9 years proves that money can't buy a title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N4S Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 True but I would def like to see a more competitive league. Just seems that after the 4-6 elite teams there is a HUGE drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 While you're right on the elite teams, there's always one team that comes and surprises everyone like the Marlins in 2003, White Sox in 05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly3rs18 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 And if anything, the Yankees first title in 9 years proves that money can't buy a title. 9 years is nothing. there should be a salary cap. the offseason isnt that interesting because you know all the top players are going to sign with the yankees, red sox, or mets majority of the time. money absolutely buys titles. sure there are some surprise teams sometimes, but they are only good for a year or two because all their players ask for more money and they cant afford it. thats why teams like the rays, marlins, royals, etc are constantly rebuilding. and thats also why the yankees are never rebuilding. they just keep buying the talent that the teams like the marlins cant afford to keep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) True but I would def like to see a more competitive league. Just seems that after the 4-6 elite teams there is a HUGE drop off. I disagree with that. As with every league, there are some bottom feeders who have been stuck at the bottom of the standings for years (Royals, Pirates, Orioles are the main ones), but other than that pretty much everybody has been competitive at least at some point recently. This is a bigger issue in the NBA, IMO, where you basically have 5 or 6 teams every year with a shot at a championship, and that is it. And in the NBA it takes way way longer to rebuild and contend for a championship. With baseball, even if you don't have funding like the Yankees or Red Sox, if you are smart with drafting, trading, waiver wire pickups, international signings, etc, you can remain competitive every year (see the Marlins, Brewers, and Rays as a handful of examples). As for the salary cap, I can see the arguments for both sides. I see absolutely no way it happens though, and I do not think it is that huge of a deal. The truth is, if a team consistently wins and makes upgrades to the team/facilities/does other things to keep fans interested, their market will build and their budget will as well. Just look at the Phillies. 1999, they are basically mired in a 15 year slump and playing in an aging stadium. The team sucks and fans are not showing up to the games. Their payroll in 1999 was 23rd in baseball. In the next 5 years, they built a solid young core, built a new stadium, and what do you know, they begin to sell out every game. This coming year their payroll is going to exceed $140 million, which should probably put them in the top 5 or 6 in the MLB. It is far easier said than done, but the point is that the teams like the Royals, Pirates and Orioles are not hopeless. Edited November 17, 2009 by Phightins09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly3rs18 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 but there are more consistantly bad teams in baseball then in most sports, football for example. the only teams that are consistently bad are the lions and raiders, and that is because of bad management. the consistantly bad teams in the MLB such as the pirates (and a few others), are bad because they can not afford to bring players in or most of the time even keep the players that they do grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teletopez Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I read an article yesterday that said the Yankees are paying $150 million for luxury tax and the revenue-sharing plan, and the second highest payer is giving $90 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) The teams being consistently bad really has nothing to do with money. In most cases, it is poor judgement by members of their front office and baseball operations people. I really think the lack of a salary cap is just an excuse for fans of those teams. Just look at the Marlins, Padres, Twins, Brewers, and Athletics. The Padres and Athletics are coming off down seasons, but for the most part, these are five small-ish market teams with small budgets that somehow manage to put a winning product on the field year after year. The money is seriously just an excuse. With that said, I see the arguments for both sides of this as I said. I also don't think a Phillies fan should be complaining about the lack of a cap, since we are one of the franchises "benefitting" from it. Edited November 18, 2009 by Phightins09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 9 years is nothing. there should be a salary cap. the offseason isnt that interesting because you know all the top players are going to sign with the yankees, red sox, or mets majority of the time. money absolutely buys titles. sure there are some surprise teams sometimes, but they are only good for a year or two because all their players ask for more money and they cant afford it. thats why teams like the rays, marlins, royals, etc are constantly rebuilding. and thats also why the yankees are never rebuilding. they just keep buying the talent that the teams like the marlins cant afford to keep The Mets are a joke so what's the problem with all these big name guys going there? You beat them every year regardless of who they sign to a ridiculous contract. The Yankees made noise this offseason for the first time in a while honestly but they were moves that were absolutely necessary. The Marlins choose to rebuild because they have the best farm system in the MLB. They pump out studs like nothing. Money obviously didn't buy their 2 titles. The Royals used to be one of the best franchises in baseball. The Rays made it to the World Series last year so idk what the problem is with them? A salary cap would be very bad for baseball as it would absolutely cause a strike from the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) It is also 100% impossible to implement a salary cap with all of the big money guaranteed contracts currently in the game. Everybody should just get the idea out of their head, it is not going to happen, nor is it as big a deal as everyone is making it. I really don't think there is that big of a problem with baseball that it needs to be "fixed". Edited November 18, 2009 by Phightins09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 The Mets are a joke elaborate please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papertrail Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 ^^ Yeah, i'd like to know as well. The Mets were battling injuries the whole season last year. There roster is pretty legit and if they can get some chemistry going they could definitely contend with the best of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 The epic chokejobs in 07 and 08 are enough for me to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papertrail Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Lol.. Good reasoning. /sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Lol.. Good reasoning. /sarcasm With that roster and the money they spend there's no reason that they should collapse at the end of the season. Injuries or not, blowing a 7 game lead, then losing 10 out of your last 17 the following year and losing a division lead because of it is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N4S Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 The epic chokejobs in 07 and 08 are enough for me to say that. So I guess you can say the Yanks were epic chokejobs the 8 years prior to this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) I really do not think Omar Minaya is a good general manager (and I am not just saying this because I am a Phillies fan or because I think it is "cool" to hate on the Mets or whatever). He is great at using the funds he is given and making the "sexy" signings, but he is not good at building depth or filling out his roster. Kind of irrelevant here, but I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in. Edited November 18, 2009 by Phightins09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly3rs18 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 The Mets are a joke so what's the problem with all these big name guys going there? You beat them every year regardless of who they sign to a ridiculous contract. The Yankees made noise this offseason for the first time in a while honestly but they were moves that were absolutely necessary. The Marlins choose to rebuild because they have the best farm system in the MLB. They pump out studs like nothing. Money obviously didn't buy their 2 titles. The Royals used to be one of the best franchises in baseball. The Rays made it to the World Series last year so idk what the problem is with them? A salary cap would be very bad for baseball as it would absolutely cause a strike from the players. any team with the number of injuries that the mets had would be out of the playoffs too. pretty much their entire lineup was out and there is no way that the marlins just decided to trade away all talent for the hell of it. they knew that they would not be able to afford to resign them, so it was either trade or lose them in free agency. and sure you can give 3 or 4 examples of how payroll doesnt mean anything, but i can also give 10 times more reasons of how it has given the yankees and red sox unfair advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 You have these problems in every league, though. The Marlins problems have absolutely nothing to do with a lack of a salary cap. Miami is just proving to be a horrible market for baseball. What is the excuse for the Phoenix Coyotes or Nashville Predators? They play in a capped league, but that doesn't stop them from having tons of financial problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish7718 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I really do not think Omar Minaya is a good general manager (and I am not just saying this because I am a Phillies fan or because I think it is "cool" to hate on the Mets or whatever). He is great at using the funds he is given and making the "sexy" signings, but he is not good at building depth or filling out his roster. Kind of irrelevant here, but I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in.Agreed, I don't think he is bad at the same time. He just shouldn't have full control of the roster. With that roster and the money they spend there's no reason that they should collapse at the end of the season. Injuries or not, blowing a 7 game lead, then losing 10 out of your last 17 the following year and losing a division lead because of it is a joke. See my I guess thats the difference between me and you. My opinion of a joke would be the Pirates who haven't made the playoffs in like 15 years, not the Mets who have had the best or at least top 3 record in the NL since 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Agreed, I don't think he is bad at the same time. He just shouldn't have full control of the roster. See my I guess thats the difference between me and you. My opinion of a joke would be the Pirates who haven't made the playoffs in like 15 years, not the Mets who have had the best or at least top 3 record in the NL since 2006. The Pirates are supposed to be bad that's the thing. With the way the Mets spend money every off-season there's no reason to blow 2 large leads in the division at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phightins Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The Pirates are the biggest joke in baseball, I can agree with Fish on that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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