EastCoastNiner Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Do you think that Amare Stoudemire is a "Top 5" PF right now? He's really starting to come into his own, and he's putting up some pretty good numbers recently. He hasn't been stat padding like some other players in this league either......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) Well, you have Dirk, Garnett, Bosh, and Duncan as the obvious top 4 right now. I guess Amare could compete for the 5th spot right now with Gasol. I would most likely take him over Josh Smith, David West, David Lee, and Antawn Jamison, who in my opinion are the next best power forwards in the league. Edited November 26, 2009 by Gil-Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerGuy Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 In no particular order: DuncanGasolDirkBoshGarnett I'd say he's on the outside sitting in, but he's right there for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) Previous post editted. Edited November 26, 2009 by Gil-Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I'd probably put him tied with Gasol at the fifth spot after Garnett, Bosh, Duncan and Nowitzki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Hasn't been stat padding? Dat dude plays with Steve Nash, playing on the Suns with Nash inflates da numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtTheDriveIn Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I'll go out on a limb and say that Kevin Garnett shouldn't be considered anything better than fifth right now and even that is very arguable. The Celtics have been the least dependent on him defensively, which is the only real argument that fans of Garnett have, then they have before, preffering to rely more on Perkins, who at the moment is averaging the same Defensive Rating as Garnett. Plus, he's down to his worst scoring, rebounding, passing and blocking since his rookie year. And yet his turnovers stay on regular Garnett level. At the moment, based soley on the way they have been playing and not how their team has fared, the top five Power Forwards in my opinion are: 1) Dirk Nowitzki2) Chris Bosh3) Tim Duncan4) Amare Stoudemire5) Many players could be argued for this final spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNextBestThing Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 No, he's not. Stoudemire is a fine player, and I like having him. But Steve Nash (and the Suns' system) make him look a lot better. Dirk, Bosh, Duncan, Garnett, and Gasol make up my top 5. I would postulate that if Amare were traded for any of those guys, their productions would pass Amare's decisively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Stat will get exposed the day he stops playing wish Nash. He is a good player but he will be just as overpaid as Shard was if he gets a max deal, if not more so. He is a PF who is terrible on D and isn't a good rebounder, he might be able to jump high and score well, but he doesn't bring much else to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bosh Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) His play is definitely starting to pick up, and if were talking "right now" then yes he belongs in the Top 5 as a Power Forward. Pau Gasol just came back from injury and IMO he doesn't belong on the list "right now". But as the season goes along and the more minutes/touches he gets he'll put himself back in the Top 5. Here's what my list looks like in no particular order because right now it's too hard to determine who belongs where. Kevin GarnettChris BoshDrik NowitzkyTim DuncanAmare Stoudamire In a few years guys like Garnett and Duncan will be hoisted out of the top 5 and it will be a sad day as a Basketball fan. But I like the young guys are will start taking over those Hall of Fame guys. Edited November 26, 2009 by King Bosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 You guys are trippin if you dont think Pau is a top 5 PF DuncanDirkPauJosh SmithBosh Also Garnett??? 13 and 7 from a guy who can barely even limp around the court anymore, he is currently not a top 5 PF, and may never be again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted October 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) Stat will get exposed the day he stops playing wish Nash. He is a good player but he will be just as overpaid as Shard was if he gets a max deal, if not more so. He is a PF who is terrible on D and isn't a good rebounder, he might be able to jump high and score well, but he doesn't bring much else to the table. He's really been getting exposed so far this season. . He's the best PF in the game. Those of you that haven't hopped on the Amare bandwagon better get on now because he's going to be a member of the NBA 1st-Team this year. Also, I'm mad that all of my Amare threads got deleted after otr got hacked in June 2009. . Edited October 30, 2010 by EastCoastNiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 11 turnovers in 2 games. Hasn't shot 50% yet. I think it's safe to say he is missing Nash, just check his PTI interview. It is really weird he himself can admit something that you refuse to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 4th best baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 30, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 He's the best PF in the game.I'm assuming you're labeling Pau Gasol a center right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomarFachix Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 CmS has some anti-Amar'e obsession and pursues all of his fans... It's weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headliner Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Most teams would want a player like Amare Stoudemire on their team but is he a top 5 PF in the league no but he is a top 10 PF in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Dirk and Gasol are by far and away the 2 best PF's in the league. If Garnett stays healthy and continues to play the way he has started the season off, then he's in that same tier. After them it's Bosh and Amare, with those two being interchangable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicbalala245 Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) Seriously I can't see how some people don't think Gasol is even in the Top 5 PF in the league. [expletive] Pau Gasol is the best arguably the best PF in the game with Dirk. Bosh and Amar'e got way's to go to be compared with Gasol or Dirk. Edited October 30, 2010 by magicbalala245 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas45champs Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Dirk and Gasol are by far and away the 2 best PF's in the league. If Garnett stays healthy and continues to play the way he has started the season off, then he's in that same tier. After them it's Bosh and Amare, with those two being interchangable. And Duncan is completely out of the picture? Mind, Duncan is the best big in the league at making his teammates better, something Bosh, Amare, Dirk lack. Leadership is underestimated in these ranks I'm seeing, as well as defense. All the power forwards benefit of the system that they are in. You wouldn't be able to put Amare in the slower paced system of the Spurs, and Duncan with the Knicks, for example. This is why it's hard to compose top 5 lists, because it depends on the standards you are basing it on. Defense? Duncan and Garnett are at the top. Offense? There are a variety of different offensive big men. If we're talking about faceup power-forwards, Bosh, Dirk, Gasol are probably the best. Traditional post up goes to Duncan and Garnett, although each has respectively lost a step. So Amare would be the pick-and-roll player, maybe the best of the group of players that have come up. If we were talking about the top 5 power forwards for a championship team, Amare is not in that category. I've never really seen many signs of leadership from him. Top 5 defensively, definitely not. But his explosive offense would put him in the offensive category, with Garnett taken out. That's Stoudemire's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted October 30, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 1a) Dirk1b) Gasol Then everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Well, you have Dirk, Garnett, Bosh, and Duncan as the obvious top 4 right now. I guess Amare could compete for the 5th spot right now with Gasol. I would most likely take him over Josh Smith, David West, David Lee, and Antawn Jamison, who in my opinion are the next best power forwards in the league. lol Gasol>>>>>>>Amare in all aspects of that game, but yeah i do agree that Dirk, Garnett, Bosh, and Duncan would be that other 4 in the top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Garnett is way too inconsistent offensively to be considered in the top tier of PF's still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 And Duncan is completely out of the picture? Mind, Duncan is the best big in the league at making his teammates better, something Bosh, Amare, Dirk lack. Leadership is underestimated in these ranks I'm seeing, as well as defense. All the power forwards benefit of the system that they are in. You wouldn't be able to put Amare in the slower paced system of the Spurs, and Duncan with the Knicks, for example. This is why it's hard to compose top 5 lists, because it depends on the standards you are basing it on. Defense? Duncan and Garnett are at the top. Offense? There are a variety of different offensive big men. If we're talking about faceup power-forwards, Bosh, Dirk, Gasol are probably the best. Traditional post up goes to Duncan and Garnett, although each has respectively lost a step. So Amare would be the pick-and-roll player, maybe the best of the group of players that have come up. If we were talking about the top 5 power forwards for a championship team, Amare is not in that category. I've never really seen many signs of leadership from him. Top 5 defensively, definitely not. But his explosive offense would put him in the offensive category, with Garnett taken out. That's Stoudemire's game. My problem with Duncan is he can't give you more than 30MPG anymore, can't carry the load on a consistent basis, and his defense isn't anywhere near where it used to be to make the offensive gap negligible (at this point his defense is right on par with Gasol's). I should have included him in that second tier along with Amare and Bosh, but I'd take both of those players over Duncan at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Garnett is way too inconsistent offensively to be considered in the top tier of PF's still. I disagree. As long as he's healthy, he still can be a 18-20PPG if the Celtics need him to, and he's the best passing big man in the league. Defensively, when healthy, he's arguably the best in the entire league. Also, once again, if healthy, he can still grab 9-10 boards as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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