AboveLegit Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'm having a debate with a member on a different forum regarding Len Bias being considered a bust or not. For those who do not know who Len bias is, he was the #2 overall pick in the 1986 draft, and was a sure superstar. Less than 48 hours after he was drafted, Bias suffered a heart attack due to an overdose of cocaine. He never played a NBA game. A cool fact I remember hearing: Coach K said Len Bias was the 2nd best ACC player he ever saw. Right behind Mr. Michael Jordan... Would you consider him a bust? Or would you consider him just a person who tragically lost his life and didn't have a chance to prove himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 No he isn't a bust. Just a sad sad story all together. I wish he would've been able to play in the league because he really seemed like he had a whole lot of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 You can't be a bust if you never suit up. It is a tragic story, but in order to call someone a bust, you need to have seen them play multiple seasons, unless they flame out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainEv3nt Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 this is dumb. why would anyone call him a bust when the MAN died b4 he could play in the nba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 this is dumb. why would anyone call him a bust when the MAN died b4 he could play in the nba.Because he didn't live up to expectations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Because he didn't live up to expectations? He never had a chance to. I know that he technically had a chance, and blew it(no pun intended), but he didn't get to show it on the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainEv3nt Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Because he didn't live up to expectations? were u the one who said he was a bust? so is ernie davis a bust 2 for football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerGuy Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Yeah, you can't be considered a bust if you never play a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenneral Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Definitely not a bust. Sure, you could say he didn't live up to expectations but it's not because of what was done or not done on the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Not a bust at all. When you never get the chance to prove yourself ON the basketball court, I don't think you can consider that a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainEv3nt Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 anyone call len bias a bust is stupid and ignorant im sorry. its not like he wanted to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 If you burn the #2 pick on a player who plays 0 minutes for you, that would have to be the biggest bust of all-time. Oh, and he did have a chance. It's called "not abusing drugs." Alright, Steve Nash jocker, it's been said multiple times that when we are referring to chance, we are talking about on court performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainEv3nt Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 ...and what's the reason that he didn't get a "chance" to play? Don't make it sound like he was a victim. im sure he didnt wanna die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 im sure he didnt wanna die.It doesn't make a difference whether he wanted to or not. He didn't live up to expectations. He is a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 ...and what's the reason that he didn't get a "chance" to play? Don't make it sound like he was a victim. I already said I know he technically had a chance, but he didn't get to have the chance to show himself on the court, so it is dumb to call him a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Spidey Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 is this a serious question? like really..anybody who debates that he is a bust has no knowledge of the nba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted November 30, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Len Bias was a bust in regards to being a "pick" in the draft. He can't be considered a bust as a player. Hope that makes more sense. Wasted pick. He ended his life, his decision. If he had been permanently banned because of steroids, more people would be understanding of this. But, you can't say he was a bust as a professional basketball player because, for all we know, his college abilities could have translated into success on a pro level. Simply put, he's not Michael Olowokandi. He's more in the category with Jay Williams, who could've been an excellent NBA player had it not been for his accident. Leaving out the actual details, yes...but again, as a pick, it was a bust. As a player, you can't say that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Len Bias was a bust in regards to being a "pick" in the draft. He can't be considered a bust as a player. Hope that makes more sense. Wasted pick. He ended his life, his decision. If he had been permanently banned because of steroids, more people would be understanding of this. But, you can't say he was a bust as a professional basketball player because, for all we know, his college abilities could have translated into success on a pro level. Simply put, he's not Michael Olowokandi. He's more in the category with Jay Williams, who could've been an excellent NBA player had it not been for his accident. Leaving out the actual details, yes...but again, as a pick, it was a bust. As a player, you can't say that.I understand most of your post, but what's the difference between a bust as a pick and a bust as a player? Simply put, he was drafted high and he did not meet expectations, therefore, he is a bust. Edited November 30, 2009 by Eastcoast Assassin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Len Bias was a bust in regards to being a "pick" in the draft. He can't be considered a bust as a player. Hope that makes more sense. Yep Well said, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted November 30, 2009 Owner Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I understand most of your post, but what's the difference between a bust as a pick and a bust as a player? Simply put, he was drafted high and he did not meet expectations, therefore, he is a bust.You can translate that many different ways. Was Richard Jefferson a bust? No. But the Rockets traded him before he played a single game, so as their pick...yes, that PICK was a bust. They wasted it by trading it away. Or, like I said, Jay Williams is a great example as well...but let's take someone else who played very well until injuries ended his career: Danny Manning, for the Clippers. He was an excellent player, top pick...didn't play long. Was he a bust as a player? Nope, because his exceptional play at Kansas maintained itself as a professional. But, as the first pick in the draft...the pick was a bust, because the Clippers passed on Mitch Richmond, who was an all-star and stayed healthy much longer than Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Blasco Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I like the Jay Williams and Shaun Livingston examples. How can you consider a player a bust when he loses his life before he could start his career? A bust is a bust when a player doesn't perform up to expectations, not when he's physically not allowed to perform. Jay Williams can't be considered a bust because he never had a chance to perform up to his capabilities after the motorcycle incident. Bias can't be a bust when he's a tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Kobe didnt live up to expectations for the Hornets 13th overall pick. Therefore Kobe is a bust. /brilliant logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted November 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Kobe didnt live up to expectations for the Hornets 13th overall pick. Therefore Kobe is a bust. /brilliant logicYou're comparing Kobe to Len.....just think about it for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamba Man 420 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I like the Jay Williams and Shaun Livingston examples. How can you consider a player a bust when he loses his life before he could start his career? A bust is a bust when a player doesn't perform up to expectations, not when he's physically not allowed to perform. Jay Williams can't be considered a bust because he never had a chance to perform up to his capabilities after the motorcycle incident. Bias can't be a bust when he's a tragedy. you said it before i could. you can't consider a guy a bust if he never played a second in NBA. i honestly think he could of rivaled Jordan but we'll never know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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