B-Marsh>R-Moss Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Seriously, he takes shots you see a player like J.R Smith take, he has a low IQ of the game, he dominates the ball, I'm not sure how anybody could have considered him an elite player. But tell me your thoughts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 14, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 All-Star, yes. Elite as in a superstar, such as Kobe, Wade and LeBron? Never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneck Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I've always considered him a top player of the secondary elite. If the elite of the elite are guys like Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Duncan and Shaq, than Gilbert is someone like Deron Williams, Yao Ming, and Chris Bosh. Someone who is very very good, and someone who you can build a franchise around, but not somebody who's every going to be "that guy" in terms of NBA dominance. He's not a bad player by any means but he's not hall-of-fame caliber either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regime Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 He was borderline elite, I actually thought he could be something special after 05-06 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I'll say boarder line elite in this regard, he was an amazing scorer of the basketball. The season he had 3 game winners, he was lights out. He was never an elite player because to be considered elite to me , you need to play D well. He was excellent scoring the basketball, elite level, elsewhere, falls short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted January 14, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 because to be considered elite to me , you need to play D well.Either that, or be good at almost everything else (like Steve Nash). Arenas is a scorer, finds his teammates good...and that's about it. Someone like Nash scores and shoots very good, throws amazing passes, works the team game better than most, runs the offense perfectly, and gets to the rim much better than Arenas. Very few cases where an elite player doesn't play defense, though. I'd consider Nash one case, the prime Shaq another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Borderline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check my Stats Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Arenas has never been a good player IMO. He is PG, shoot first which is -_-. He shoots a lot from the perimeter, and shoots a horrible % for the number of shots he takes. Doesn't play defense. I honestly cannot think of a single quality about Arenas I liked, possibly his clutch shooting is something I am fond of. Just thought he was always an overrated chucker with a chip on his shoulder, would rather drop 50 than win the game. Arenas is not a star, he is not even a good player in my books. Not to mention his extreme personality flaws are being exposed now, I questioned his character before mostly as a leader, but this guy just flat out seems like a total douche bag. Definitely has been in my top 5 hated player list for the past 4 years or so lol... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Seriously, he takes shots you see a player like J.R Smith take, he has a low IQ of the game, he dominates the ball, I'm not sure how anybody could have considered him an elite player. But tell me your thoughts...You don't [expletive]ing watch the Wizards, you just read outside opinions of his game and draw up your own assumptions of him. He was not at the superstar level of Lebron, Kobe, and Wade, but he was definitely in the second tier of stars in the league in his prime. There's a reason he was a 3 time all star... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveLegit Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 No. He never played defense, he was just a great scorer and one of the best clutch players in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Marsh>R-Moss Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Arenas has never been a good player IMO. He is PG, shoot first which is -_-. He shoots a lot from the perimeter, and shoots a horrible % for the number of shots he takes. Doesn't play defense. I honestly cannot think of a single quality about Arenas I liked, possibly his clutch shooting is something I am fond of. Just thought he was always an overrated chucker with a chip on his shoulder, would rather drop 50 than win the game. Arenas is not a star, he is not even a good player in my books. Not to mention his extreme personality flaws are being exposed now, I questioned his character before mostly as a leader, but this guy just flat out seems like a total douche bag. Definitely has been in my top 5 hated player list for the past 4 years or so lol...Repped-izzleThis post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Bulletproof Icon. View it anyway?Intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNiner Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Either that, or be good at almost everything else (like Steve Nash). Arenas is a scorer, finds his teammates good...and that's about it. Someone like Nash scores and shoots very good, throws amazing passes, works the team game better than most, runs the offense perfectly, and gets to the rim much better than Arenas. Very few cases where an elite player doesn't play defense, though. I'd consider Nash one case, the prime Shaq another. I think you forgot to add the second most over-rated player in the NBA to the list of elite players that don't play defense, being Chris "I'm all flash" Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Intriguing.You obviously read my post you [expletive]ing douchebag. Otherwise how would you know I was even quoting you if you didn't keep it hidden? You're such a waste man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) 1) Stop fighting 2) Good point on Nash RD 3) Once you said Nash, Paul also came to mind, so props to ECN. Edited January 15, 2010 by BasX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Marsh>R-Moss Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 I think you forgot to add the second most over-rated player in the NBA to the list of elite players that don't play defense, being Chris "I'm all flash" Paul.Paul's been to an All-Defensive team for a reason along with the fact that he's led the league in stealing twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasX Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Steals are the most deceptive stat in the league, it's all about gambling and taking chances, rarely is it on ball steals. On ball he has troubles, at least from the games I've seen him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Paul's been to an All-Defensive team for a reason along with the fact that he's led the league in stealing twice.lol @ basing defensive talent on steal count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Marsh>R-Moss Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Steals are the most deceptive stat in the league, it's all about gambling and taking chances, rarely is it on ball steals. On ball he has troubles, at least from the games I've seen him.From what I've seen, he's actually pretty good at on-ball stealing. Still, It's not like he completely ignores the defensive end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 At one point in his career I considered him a borderline elite. Never the amazing player but he was definitely good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravenewworld Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Aboslutely not. I actually have a pet-peve toward PGs who average 20 points but can only get 5 assists at best. The only way Arenas would be a successful player on a successful team is if he was played much like Iverson was early on in his career, and that is as a SG.The man is a scorer, not a passer and definitely not a team leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Aboslutely not. I actually have a pet-peve toward PGs who average 20 points but can only get 5 assists at best. The only way Arenas would be a successful player on a successful team is if he was played much like Iverson was early on in his career, and that is as a SG.The man is a scorer, not a passer and definitely not a team leader.He's never averaged less than 5 assists in his career besides his rookie season. Although I don't consider him a point guard even though he loves to refer to himself as one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Years Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 He was always a chucker to me and I won't even lie . I never could appreciate his game. I don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Marsh>R-Moss Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 He was always a chucker to me and I won't even lie . I never could appreciate his game. I don't know why.I appreciated his hard work put in the off-season and in the gym, but I couldn't appreciate him playing on the court either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Yes, he was an elite player at one point. When he got that huge contract he was an elite player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sħãlïq™ Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Is this a joke?!! Of course I considered him an elite player. He was IS an elite player, yes he still is, IMHO. Edited January 17, 2010 by Shaliq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.