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For me it's lee, Smith, Boozer and Billups. In that order.

 

Lee should be there over Horford pure and simple. Better numbers all around. Smith should be there but I don't know who to drop. Boozer probably should be there over Gasol, because Gasol has missed a lot of games and missing games was an excuse why players in the past have been left off. Billups is all-star worthy but he isn't as worthy as the two other PGs.

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The way i feel about how All-Stars should be selected is the uniqueness the player brings to the table.

How many other players can accomplish what the selected player does on any given day?

Which is my reasoning for selecting Billups.

I do not care if Williams or Paul puts up better numbers then him, because that is all they do slightly better, this man (Billups) is not only the best PG in the league but the epitome of what a PG should be and deserves to be not just on the team, but a starter.

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The way i feel about how All-Stars should be selected is the uniqueness the player brings to the table.

How many other players can accomplish what the selected player does on any given day?

Which is my reasoning for selecting Billups.

I do not care if Williams or Paul puts up better numbers then him, because that is all they do slightly better, this man (Billups) is not only the best PG in the league but the epitome of what a PG should be and deserves to be not just on the team, but a starter.

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For me it's lee, Smith, Boozer and Billups. In that order.

 

Lee should be there over Horford pure and simple. Better numbers all around. Smith should be there but I don't know who to drop. Boozer probably should be there over Gasol, because Gasol has missed a lot of games and missing games was an excuse why players in the past have been left off. Billups is all-star worthy but he isn't as worthy as the two other PGs.

 

Think of the largest number you can think of. That number is how much better a defensive player Al Horford is over Lee (not really, but Horford is a very good defender, and Lee is horrendous). Horford's contributing to a very successful team while the Knicks aren't a playoff team. Smith should go to, but having KG and Iverson as starters really hurts.

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........ Nice. Nice response.

Who is better?

Chris Paul?

Deron Williams?

How about this... What have CP3 and D-Will done in their careers outside of "put up good numbers" to compete with Billups?

Why should either of these guys be considered better then Billups, a man who took a questionable 8-10 seed to a western contender, a man who led the Pistons to a title, three NBA finals and five straight conference finals with a return to conference finals in 08 with the Nuggets. Billups is the definition of what a leader is and should be, sadly enough people would rather look at overly simplistic numbers thus making it so Billups does not get the credit he deserves.

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The argument for Gasol I read somewhere is that should a great player be punished for being injured for parts of a first half? If at the end of the year Gasol plays his usual excellent basketball and puts up his usual excellent numbers, will people look back and feel dumb for not having him on the All-Star team?

 

One of the reasons Deron Williams hasn't been an All-Star has been minor first half injuries. Now people ask themselves, why hasn't this guy been an All-Star, he's so good? Well, people have used that excuse to not select him.

 

And in terms of basketball talent, Kaman's not a scrub by any means, but does anyone really want Kaman over Gasol? Gasol is Gasol and Kaman is a good player on an average team.

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........

Who is better?

Chris Paul?

Deron Williams?

How about this... What have CP3 and D-Will done in their careers outside of "put up good numbers" to compete with Billups?

Why should either of these guys be considered better then Billups, a man who took a questionable 8-10 seed to a western contender, a man who led the Pistons to a title, three NBA finals and five straight conference finals with a return to conference finals in 08 with the Nuggets. Billups is the definition of what a leader is and should be, sadly enough people would rather look at overly simplistic numbers thus making it so Billups does not get the credit he deserves.

 

Williams has run of the most complex offenses in the NBA to perfection, orchestrating a pair of series victories over stingy Rockets teams, and decimating the Golden State team that upset Dallas several years ago.

 

Last year he got into the paint at will against the Lakers defense and did a good job running an efficient offense against a good Lakers defense. He took over fourth quarters, and won Game 3 with a late game-winning jumper in the final seconds. If Utah had a starting frontcourt that could move, Utah's defense wouldn't detract from their effective offense.

 

Billups' role in Denver is more to provide leadership and stability and also to set the Nuggets offense up into getting favorable isolations. He's another big shot maker and a plus defender who occasionally has trouble with warp speed since he's lost a half step.

 

Billups is a very good player and you should be proud for pulling for him.

 

Williams can do anything Billups ever could offensively, except shoot the three. He has better vision, is a better finisher, and is more reliable late in games. Defensively Billups is a notch above D-Will. Offensively Williams is dominant, and a top 10 player.

 

Paul can absolutely take over games, though he plays too passively and hangs teammates out to dry more often than he should (like passing to a guarded player with 3 seconds left on the shot clock, having the shot clock run out, then yelling at that player for not being more aware of the clock).

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........ Nice. Nice response.

Who is better?

Chris Paul?

Deron Williams?

How about this... What have CP3 and D-Will done in their careers outside of "put up good numbers" to compete with Billups?

Why should either of these guys be considered better then Billups, a man who took a questionable 8-10 seed to a western contender, a man who led the Pistons to a title, three NBA finals and five straight conference finals with a return to conference finals in 08 with the Nuggets. Billups is the definition of what a leader is and should be, sadly enough people would rather look at overly simplistic numbers thus making it so Billups does not get the credit he deserves.

Um.. I would take CP3 or Deron over Billups any day right now. I laugh at how you are saying his past career accomplishments should factor in to him getting picked. So because years back he led the Pistons to a title, he should be a shoe-in for the all-star game this year?

 

He's playing decently right now and helping Denver sit somewhat comfortably at the number 2 spot in the West, but "the best point guard in the league", as you claim him to be, doesn't average 5.9 assists per game. Numbers do come in to play to some extent, and what you have done in the past should not factor in being selected for the game.

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Um.. I would take CP3 or Deron over Billups any day right now. I laugh at how you are saying his past career accomplishments should factor in to him getting picked. So because years back he led the Pistons to a title, he should be a shoe-in for the all-star game this year?

 

He's playing decently right now and helping Denver sit somewhat comfortably at the number 2 spot in the West, but "the best point guard in the league", as you claim him to be, doesn't average 5.9 assists per game. Numbers do come in to play to some extent, and what you have done in the past should not factor in being selected for the game.

 

His past achievements are a testament to his leadership and ability today and to show what a consistent leader he has always been and will continue to be. He is the best point in the game because he is a truly unique leader. And i will say that about any position. You find me a SG, SF, PF, C who can put up around 20 a game, plays defense and gets his entire team ready mentally, physically, statistically and unites a team full of different personalities night after night and i will call that player the best player at that position. True leaders of Billups' caliber are very hard to come by and should be rewarded and honored WAY more then someone whose career or year accomplishments extend to "good numbers".

 

Billups is not helping Denver be a second seed in the West, he is the absolute reason they are a second seed in the West.

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Think of the largest number you can think of. That number is how much better a defensive player Al Horford is over Lee (not really, but Horford is a very good defender, and Lee is horrendous). Horford's contributing to a very successful team while the Knicks aren't a playoff team. Smith should go to, but having KG and Iverson as starters really hurts.

That is a bit drastic. I know Lee isn't a world class defender but he's certainly not horrendous. The fact that he plays on a team where no else can defend definitely makes him look worse. The fact Horford plays with Josh Smith definitely makes him look better. All that being said this game has never been about defense. David Lee is averging 19.4 and 11.4 if that is not an all star, what is? I don't know if he's the biggest snub obviously the guard who got snubbed by Allen Iverson must be pretty pissed but it is pathetic Lee did not make.

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His past achievements are a testament to his leadership and ability today and to show what a consistent leader he has always been and will continue to be. He is the best point in the game because he is a truly unique leader. And i will say that about any position. You find me a SG, SF, PF, C who can put up around 20 a game, plays defense and gets his entire team ready mentally, physically, statistically and unites a team full of different personalities night after night and i will call that player the best player at that position. True leaders of Billups' caliber are very hard to come by and should be rewarded and honored WAY more then someone whose career or year accomplishments extend to "good numbers".

 

Billups is not helping Denver be a second seed in the West, he is the absolute reason they are a second seed in the West.

Ok, while his leadership may not decrease with age, his basketball talent does. I can assure you he is not the best point guard in the game, nor was he at anytime of his career. There are PLENTY of other leaders around the league at the other positions, (Kobe? Lebron? Duncan?). Leadership alone doesn't get you into the all-star game my friend. You need numbers to go with it, and a point guard averaging 5.9 assists per game rarely makes it unless they are the first scoring option on their team and are putting up well over 20 ppg (which is why Gilbert Arenas has made it in the past).

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