Who takes the final shot?

[The Regime]

Discuss.

[Warren2ThaG]

Not picking cuz' can't go wrong either way.

[JWaLL]

Not picking cuz' can't go wrong either way.

[Force]

3 seconds or less...kobe. More than that..prolly Jordan

[BeeZee]

Doesn't matter. Either way, it's going in.

[Real Deal]

Bryant has hit more shots with two defenders on him, and if it's a three, it's definitely Kobe Bryant.

 

Plus, Bryant has the record for game-winners.

 

I love Michael. He's my boy. But so is Bryant, and I have to take him here.

[kingfish]

Kobe is only 31 and he already has hit more game winners then Jordan did in his entire career. Id take Kobe, also because he can hit them in any situation with any number of guys on him.

[Poe]

I don't know if it's a question of who has hit more game winners versus who has hit a higher percentage of game winners. It could be possible that Kobe has been in more close games than Jordan.

[YugoRocketsFan]

Kobe is only 31 and he already has hit more game winners then Jordan did in his entire career. Id take Kobe, also because he can hit them in any situation with any number of guys on him.

 

Jordan didnt need to hit game winners because the Bulls blew everyone out

[ChosenOne]

Gimmy Kobe.

[Warren2ThaG]

Jordan didnt need to hit game winners because the Bulls blew everyone out

 

and Jordan hit game winners mostly over white guys, sept B.Russell.

[JWaLL]

Kobe is only 31 and he already has hit more game winners then Jordan did in his entire career. Id take Kobe, also because he can hit them in any situation with any number of guys on him.

That's not a good statistic, you should look at the % of game winners made verses game winners attempted. Kobe has made more because his team has been put in the situation where they need a game winner more than Jordan ever did. If I am correct, Jordan has hit a much higher career % of game winners than Kobe at this point.

[Real Deal]

Right, but the percentage is going to be altered quite a bit due to illegal zone defense and the plenty of doubles Bryant caught at that time, not to mention the fact that Odom, Kwame, Mihm and Walton are less of a threat to hit a game-winner than Pippen, Kukoc, Paxson and Armstrong, so teams knew who to double right off the bat.

[BasX]

Easy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rasho.

[JWaLL]

Right, but the percentage is going to be altered quite a bit due to illegal zone defense and the plenty of doubles Bryant caught at that time, not to mention the fact that Odom, Kwame, Mihm and Walton are less of a threat to hit a game-winner than Pippen, Kukoc, Paxson and Armstrong, so teams knew who to double right off the bat.

It's still too hard to compare with the variables like the ones you mentioned. Either way, you can't go wrong with either Jordan or Kobe in the final seconds, so I can't really choose.

[Poe]

Right, but the percentage is going to be altered quite a bit due to illegal zone defense and the plenty of doubles Bryant caught at that time, not to mention the fact that Odom, Kwame, Mihm and Walton are less of a threat to hit a game-winner than Pippen, Kukoc, Paxson and Armstrong, so teams knew who to double right off the bat.

Discussions are already starting to pick up over Jordan and Kobe comparisons. Imagine how much they'll be if Kobe is successful in grabbing two more rings with his current team.

[Real Deal]

Discussions are already starting to pick up over Jordan and Kobe comparisons. Imagine how much they'll be if Kobe is successful in grabbing two more rings with his current team.

I honestly believe that Kobe is the better overall player if you remove the awards (leave the rings and MVP trophies at home, in other words). Not sure if I can say he's better defensively, most likely not because Bryant isn't always locked in on defense, but I'm 100% positive he's a better offensive player than Jordan, as he has much more range and has better footwork than MJ.

 

Two rings is possible, especially if Drew pans out to be a top three center in the NBA. All we've been waiting on is for Drew and Pau to play well together. Once that happens, I'll be very confident in our chances of a three-peat.

[JWaLL]

I honestly believe that Kobe is the better overall player if you remove the awards (leave the rings and MVP trophies at home, in other words). Not sure if I can say he's better defensively, most likely not because Bryant isn't always locked in on defense, but I'm 100% positive he's a better offensive player than Jordan, as he has much more range and has better footwork than MJ.

 

Two rings is possible, especially if Drew pans out to be a top three center in the NBA. All we've been waiting on is for Drew and Pau to play well together. Once that happens, I'll be very confident in our chances of a three-peat.

Ahhh hold on hold on, let's keep this solely at who you would rather take the last shot, not another Kobe vs Jordan overall thread.

 

Some great players don't always come up in the clutch. Dirk has had his struggles in the past, as well as Lebron.

[Real Deal]

It was already getting boring, with everyone saying they'd take both.

[OldChili]

You can argue that Kobe has hit the most ever game winning shots, but take into account he's also taken and missed the most.

[Real Deal]

You can argue that Kobe has hit the most ever game winning shots, but take into account he's also taken and missed the most.

That's true, and with that said, it makes it much easier for coaches to defend the final shot in a game. Stick two on Bryant and jump in his face. Game 4, against the Suns...Phoenix stuck Bell and Diaw on Bryant, their best defender and a big man, and they knew he was going to take it.

 

Since Shaq left, I honestly don't believe Phil (or anyone coaching them at that time) has changed the sideline-out play that gets Bryant the ball with five or less on the clock, and it seems like teams are sitting two players on his shoulders every single catch he makes.

 

It may be just me, but I would rather have one guy on me, and 2-3 capable clutch shooters on my side, than to have two guys on me, a team that knows what's going to happen, and four other teammates that are either not willing to take that last shot, or just capable of throwing up an airball due to being so nervous or, basically, terrible at basketball.

[Force]

And the one time Kobe did pass the ball at the end of the game in the kwame smush era..Luke passed back to him eventhough there was like a second left.

[Real Deal]

And the one time Kobe did pass the ball at the end of the game in the kwame smush era..Luke passed back to him eventhough there was like a second left.

Yep, against the Knicks.

 

And there was another time, where he passed it to Lamar, and Lamar tossed up a 17-foot airball.

[kingfish]

You cant be serious with the % crap. How many years did Kobe suffer with scrub teammates and having to take so many long shots at the end of games, you can seriously put a highlight reel together full of them. Just the other night in Toronto, Luke Walton (scrub teammate from the lotter/8 seed years) threw him a horrible pass on the inbounds, Kobe fired up a 40 foot fade away and just BARELY missed, thats a good example of the kind of shots hes had to take over the years.

 

How many times this year Kobe made a game winner single covered? Milwaukee, Sacramento, Boston, and Dallas were all single covered, he hit the shot every time. Hes even hit shots double teamed, against the Heat and Suns (from 06). Really how many of you think nowadays Kobe would be on an island all by himself like Jordan was in game 6 vs the Jazz. In this era you just play zone and put multiple defenders on Kobe Bryant and even that only helps your chances, theres no guarantees he wont make it. But everytime he IS single covered with the game on the line, its going in. Regardless, the answer to this topic is simple, give me Kobe, doesnt matter if its in Jordans era, or Kobes era, but preferably Jordans era.

Edited February 2, 2010 by kingfish

[Hero]

Kobe easily. He's just the best at that, making clutch shots. Jordan could probably a be a close second, but the distance is really, really growing at a steady pace.