Jackson Calls Ilgauskas Situation 'Sham', 'Charades'

[The Regime]

Phil Jackson once again was critical of the NBA's loophole that allowed Cleveland to deal away Zyrunas Ilgauskas for Antawn Jamison.

 

"It's something that's going to have to be addressed in the next (collective bargaining agreement),'' Jackson said of the rule in its current form. "It's a sham of sorts to make that kind of trade. You're not really trading a player. You're just trading a money situation. It's a sham, and I think it's a disrespect for the league and the players to be involved in this type of a thing.''

 

Jackson had expressed disapproval last week about the deal, calling it a "weird situation.''

 

Jackson said perhaps the rule should be changed to make it a waiting period of multiple months before a player could return to the team that dealt him.

 

"You only have a rule about not being able to trade the player after you signed him in free agency until mid-December after you signed him in August,'' Jackson said of the rule that calls for a player signed as a free agent during the offseason not being eligible to be traded until Dec. 15 or 90 days, whichever is later. "Maybe something like that could be instituted where it's two or three months ... if it's the same team. Otherwise, it's just kind of charades.''

 

Real GM

[Check my Stats]

I seriously doubt he would care if it was any other team. The Pistons did the exact same thing with Dyess but it wasn't awkward then? Double standards ftl.

[Real Deal]

I seriously doubt he would care if it was any other team. The Pistons did the exact same thing with Dyess but it wasn't awkward then? Double standards ftl.

Why would anyone ask him about that McDyess deal? Once it happened, reporters would go and ask Phil Jackson what he thought?

 

Ilgauskas back to Cleveland was getting a lot of media attention to begin with, even before anyone asked Jackson. The rumors spilled out that the league would stop it. There would be no better coach to ask that question to.

 

And on top of that, he makes a very solid point. They have a restriction on free agent signings (in regards to being traded), but they don't have one on traded players being signed back. Doesn't make any sense, and many coaches (not just Jackson) and many analysts and fans see it as a loophole and as something that needs to be patched up.

[Lkr]

I guess you could go up to Phil Jackson and say, "You Mad!"

[Kobe24]

I agree that this is dumb. Was never a really big fan but whatever. Teams can do whatever they want.

[kingfish]

Im really upset with this Z situation but what can you do. If the Lakers truly are a championship team this shouldnt effect them, we make too many excuses and just need to realize how much talent we have and win games. Bynum should never get punked by 40 year old centers like Shaq and Ilgauskas.

[Cleveland's Finest]

What I don't get is how everyone disregards Z like he is just a declining vet who isn't worth playing anymore on our team, yet the moment he's traded everyone thinks he's valuable all the sudden and deems it unfair if he returns to Cleveland, as if he's a valuable part to an elite team. I wish Z got this much respect on a consistent basis.

 

Mike Brown didn't say anything when the Lakers were handed Pau Gasol, so Phil shouldn't stick his nose in our business.

[The Regime]

What I don't get is how everyone disregards Z like he is just a declining vet who isn't worth playing anymore on our team, yet the moment he's traded everyone thinks he's valuable all the sudden and deems it unfair if he returns to Cleveland, as if he's a valuable part to an elite team. I wish Z got this much respect on a consistent basis.

 

Mike Brown didn't say anything when the Lakers were handed Pau Gasol, so Phil shouldn't stick his nose in our business.

 

Mike Brown doesnt have quite the resume as Phil.

[Cleveland's Finest]

I didn't know that x amount of rings justifies talking about another team when you know that your team itself has gotten a few more than fair deals.

Edited February 27, 2010 by Cleveland's Finest

[kingfish]

The Lakers gave up a lot to get Pau Gasol, the Cavs gave up LITERALLY NOTHING.

[Cleveland's Finest]

The Lakers gave up a lot to get Pau Gasol, the Cavs gave up LITERALLY NOTHING.

 

Exactly, so if Z is "literally nothing", nothing should be wrong with the Cavs getting him back.

[kingfish]

Exactly, so if Z is "literally nothing", nothing should be wrong with the Cavs getting him back.

Lol. Not my point at all. The Cavs are getting Z back, everyone knew that right from the start. Therefore, the Cavs gave up literally nothing to get an all star player.

[Cleveland's Finest]

I wasn't talking about that deal though.

 

It's not as much as what the Cavs gave up for Jamison but the contract they took on. They hurt their financial situation, therefore, their future, which is very delicate in this economy. Way over the cap even more now.

[kingfish]

I wasn't talking about that deal though.

 

It's not as much as what the Cavs gave up for Jamison but the contract they took on. They hurt their financial situation, therefore, their future, which is very delicate in this economy. Way over the cap even more now.

Gasols contract at the time wasnt too pretty either, thats partially why the Griz were so desperate to move him. And I already know the contract situation with Jamison.

 

The Cavaliers gave up nothing to get an all star player. Now unless you can say something to refute that statement I suggest you dont talk anymore.

[fish7718]

Lol @ Lakers fan and Phil Jackson complaining about this. Arent they the same team that got someone named Pau Gasol for nothing more than financial considerations. Funny it's only an issue to him when a team like the Cav's does it.

[kingfish]

Lol @ Lakers fan and Phil Jackson complaining about this. Arent they the same team that got someone named Pau Gasol for nothing more than financial considerations. Funny it's only an issue to him when a team like the Cav's does it.

:wallbash3:

 

Man read the [expletive]ing thread before you post. The Lakers gave up a top 10 center in the NBA, his name is Marc Gasol and hes only 25 years old with a terrific work ethic and going to develop into a very solid big man. We also gave them first round draft picks ALONG with financial help in the form of expiring contracts. Except we didnt do any under the table bull[expletive] which allowed us to get the players back that we traded away. And believe me we could have used Kwame in the finals against Boston.

[Real Deal]

For those who STILL have no idea how good Marc Gasol is, and how much Memphis actually got in that trade with the Lakers...

 

http://www.otrbasketball.com/forums/topic/9714-no-joke-pau-gasol-trade-proved-to-be-good-for-griz-too/

 

Getting annoying. Either you comment on the trade after you watch Marc's value to the team, or don't comment on it at all.

[Cleveland's Finest]

Gasols contract at the time wasnt too pretty either, thats partially why the Griz were so desperate to move him. And I already know the contract situation with Jamison.

 

The Cavaliers gave up nothing to get an all star player. Now unless you can say something to refute that statement I suggest you dont talk anymore.

My first post in this thread dealt with the Z thing, you brought this deal up, so I guess I'll just be quiet. If someone presents you with Jamison in that type of deal, you take i...I'm just happy on not a fan of the team handing him off.

[EastCoastNiner]

Phil Jackson has a very valid point, and I agree with him 100%.

 

 

Also, the Pau Gasol trade is not similar to this trade in any which way, considering that trade had no real loopholes.

[Dr. Feelgood]

Lol @ Lakers fan and Phil Jackson complaining about this. Arent they the same team that got someone named Pau Gasol for nothing more than financial considerations. Funny it's only an issue to him when a team like the Cav's does it.

 

 

:wallbash3:

 

Man read the [expletive]ing thread before you post. The Lakers gave up a top 10 center in the NBA, his name is Marc Gasol and hes only 25 years old with a terrific work ethic and going to develop into a very solid big man. We also gave them first round draft picks ALONG with financial help in the form of expiring contracts. Except we didnt do any under the table bull[expletive] which allowed us to get the players back that we traded away. And believe me we could have used Kwame in the finals against Boston.

 

I laughed after I read Fish's post, it was like he didn't read the topic at all.

 

Anyways, with this whole situation, I think it's terrible for the league to even allow crap like this to happen. You trade an expiring contract, he gets bought out by the team that just acquired him, and then resigns with the team that traded him? Very shady in my opinion.

 

This trade is in no way shape or form the same as the Lakers/Grizzlies trade. Kwame, Crittenton, or the third irrelevant player in the deal weren't bought out by the Grizzlies, and neither of the three returned to the Lakers a month later. To say that it is like that, just makes you look like an idiot. People need to think before they post.

 

And of course Cavs fans are going to like this and think it's fair, it benefits THEIR team. With the guy saying that Phil should keep his nose out of "our business", I laughed at that too. Seriously?

 

Also, Doc Rivers is a hypocrite too.

 

Rivers agreed with Jackson, even though the loophole has helped his team in the past.

 

"I have a problem with that," Rivers said before Thursday's Lakers-Celtics game at Staples Center. "I loved it three years ago when we did it with Gary Payton if you remember, but now I think it sucks. I think it's a terrible deal."

 

Rivers and the Celtics traded Payton to Atlanta in March 2005 for Antoine Walker and Payton returned to Boston after being waived by the Hawks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4926633

[misterx]

:wallbash3:

 

Man read the [expletive]ing thread before you post. The Lakers gave up a top 10 center in the NBA, his name is Marc Gasol and hes only 25 years old with a terrific work ethic and going to develop into a very solid big man. We also gave them first round draft picks ALONG with financial help in the form of expiring contracts. Except we didnt do any under the table bull[expletive] which allowed us to get the players back that we traded away. And believe me we could have used Kwame in the finals against Boston.

 

yeah seriously... and that crittenton guy was pretty promising at the time too..

[Sky]

I wasn't talking about that deal though.

 

It's not as much as what the Cavs gave up for Jamison but the contract they took on. They hurt their financial situation, therefore, their future, which is very delicate in this economy. Way over the cap even more now.

 

And that's precisely what the Gasol trade was about and why it was made. LA's willingness to take on a huge amount of long term money to save a struggling Memphis team a boatload of cash. Yet recently on here Cleveland fans were bemoaning how unfair the Gasol trade was and totally ignored that it was over money. So if you defend this Cavs deal for fiscal reasons, you must do the exact same thing for the Gasol trade.

 

Unlike LA though, Cleveland has three free agents in the summer, so this could just be a four month hit depending on what they choose to do with Shaq, and if Bron bolts or not.

 

As for Z, the league needs to change the CBA so that players can't rejoin their old teams after being dealt and then cut/bought out by their new team. Either prevent it or make those players playoff ineligible (only if they return to their old team). Not a high priority for the CBA talks, but I suspect it'll be in there in the end.

Edited February 27, 2010 by Sky

[Guest Need4Sheed]

Worried Phil?