Poe Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (edited) Air Rondo started one for the PGs, SGs, and SFs, and I thought it created some good discussion. He stopped short of the last two positions for whatever reason, so I'm picking up where he left off. My list:1. Dirk Nowitzki2. Chris Bosh3. Tim Duncan4. Pau Gasol5. Amar'e Stoudemire Edit: Decided to put Amar'e in that 5th spot over David Lee. Edited March 17, 2010 by Poe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 10, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'll write my list later, but Gasol is better than Duncan this season. I'd put him third, behind Dirk and Bosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'll write my list later, but Gasol is better than Duncan this season. I'd put him third, behind Dirk and Bosh.The choice between Pau and Duncan was tough, but I chose Tim for several reasons. First of all, he's putting up similar numbers in less minutes, with a better EFF and PER. Also, despite being a higher option on offense, Tim Duncan has a similar true shooting percentage, and the same effective field goal percentage as Pau Gasol. Lastly, Tim Duncan is able to handle leading what is currently a .600 team, while Gasol was never truly able to handle being the first option for a team to realistically contend. Pau is a second tier guy while Duncan, even at his age and decline in minutes and numbers, is still the leader of his team for another strong season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Spidey Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 oops competley forgot but anyway 1. Dirk2. Bosh3. KG4. Duncan5. Gasol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 10, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 The choice between Pau and Duncan was tough, but I chose Tim for several reasons. First of all, he's putting up similar numbers in less minutes, with a better EFF and PER. Also, despite being a higher option on offense, Tim Duncan has a similar true shooting percentage, and the same effective field goal percentage as Pau Gasol. Lastly, Tim Duncan is able to handle leading what is currently a .600 team, while Gasol was never truly able to handle being the first option for a team to realistically contend. Pau is a second tier guy while Duncan, even at his age and decline in minutes and numbers, is still the leader of his team for another strong season.Yeah, I don't know. For me, it's like the Williams/Paul debate. I think Gasol has enough around him to limit his numbers a bit more than Duncan does, especially with Parker in and out of the five, and Manu playing like a shell of his former self. It shows in the Spurs' record recently as well. I don't put much into EFF and PER ratings. If I did that, I'm sure I could say Kobe isn't even a top five player...and everyone knows how ridiculous that statement would be. Duncan is easily the greater of the two, career-wise...but he's never truly lead a team without another scoring option. From David Robinson to Parker and Gino, that's nothing to complain about. Gasol took Memphis to 50 wins, and 49 sometime before or after that (can't remember) with defensive-minded players, much like Iverson and LeBron did. Only problem is, he never won a playoff series. This season though...this season only...I think I'm still going with Pau. I think he would get the best of Duncan if they played each other 10 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChosenOne Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 1. Dirk Nowitzki2. Chris Bosh3. David Lee4. Pau Gasol5. Tim Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 oops competley forgot but anyway 1. Dirk2. Bosh3. KG4. Duncan5. Gasol KG is definitely not a top 5 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutch Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 for this season? i like the 1st list you got there you can also make arguments for zach randolph boozer and amare ..they've been pretty good this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 This is tough... 1) Dirk Nowitzki2) Chris Bosh3) Tim Duncan4) Pau Gasol5) Amare Stoudemire Amare gets the slight edge over Boozer. Randolph/Lee/Al Jefferson would all be higher if they could play better D. Randolph has been better this year, but Lee is attrocious defensively (to be fair, a lot of times he is getting burned by Centers, but he is just bad with rotations and is soft defensively), and big Al is still shotty on D. If Jefferson would play like he did last year offensively, he's probably crack my top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeroadkill Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 1 Chris Bosh2 Carlos Boozer3 Dirk Nowitzki4 Tim Duncan5 Pau Gasol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 1 Chris Bosh2 Carlos Boozer3 Dirk Nowitzki4 Tim Duncan5 Pau GasolI hope that is in no particular order right? Because ranking Boozer above Dirk and Duncan is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 11, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Alright, here's mine... 1) Dirk NowitzkiHe's a superstar, probably the toughest power forward to defend in the league, and he's super versatile (which explains why it's so tough to defend him). 2) Chris BoshNot much of a defensive player either, but his offensive game has improved quite a bit. Basically, he's added a couple more post moves, better footwork, and he's stronger. 3) Pau GasolPau is putting up nearly the same numbers as Duncan, better rebounder and if he wasn't injured (hamstring problems since November), he'd be shooting a higher percentage from the floor. 4) Tim DuncanHe's struggling to shoot 50% from the floor, and has been for the past three seasons. His defense has dropped off a bit, but he's still putting up a solid 19/11, exceptional leadership. 5) Carlos BoozerHe's a much better rebounder than Amare, shooting just as well from the floor, and he's stronger in the post. Amare may be a product of the system he plays in, so Boozer takes #5. By the way, David Lee is a center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 1. Dirk2. Bosh3. Duncan4. Pau5. Amare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I see David Lee as more of a PF that has to play C since he's playing for D'Antoni. For almost any other coach or team in the league, he'd play PF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Even if Lee where a PF. Don't think I'd take him over anyone in my top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeroadkill Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I hope that is in no particular order right? Because ranking Boozer above Dirk and Duncan is laughable.how is it laughable? were talking about this season right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2ThaG Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 wheres Blatche and Aldridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owner Real Deal Posted March 11, 2010 Owner Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I see David Lee as more of a PF that has to play C since he's playing for D'Antoni. For almost any other coach or team in the league, he'd play PF.Sure, but if he were playing another position, his numbers may not be the same, so you have to consider where he's at right now. If Lee were at the four, he'd probably have a tougher time. Being a center, he is a huge mismatch for many teams, as he gets up and down the court quicker, and he's also faster and more athletic than most centers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWaLL Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 how is it laughable? were talking about this season right?Yes. One could argue Boozer being above Duncan I suppose, but definitely not Dirk. Boozer is top 5 no doubt, but Dirk is top 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Sure, but if he were playing another position, his numbers may not be the same, so you have to consider where he's at right now. If Lee were at the four, he'd probably have a tougher time. Being a center, he is a huge mismatch for many teams, as he gets up and down the court quicker, and he's also faster and more athletic than most centers.That's true. At the same time, Boozer and Amare have the luxury to feed off of great PGs, Deron and Nash. While Lee's position and D'Antoni's offensive system may benefit him to a certain extent, the primary playmaker for almost the whole year has been Chris Duhon, who's hardly a benefit to anyone playing with him. Maybe him mismatching Cs somewhat helps his FG%, but at the same time, he's also grabbing nearly 12 boards per game despite being outsized. If Lee were to play PF with a top 5 PG, he'd probably still average a similar number of points if not more, while grabbing more rebounds, and appear better defensively when matched up against players his own size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeff Colborn Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 1. Dirk2. Duncan3. Bosh4. Gasol5. Boozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeroadkill Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Yes. One could argue Boozer being above Duncan I suppose, but definitely not Dirk. Boozer is top 5 no doubt, but Dirk is top 2. i dont think anyone really knows how good boozer has been playing, jazz's record is right up there with mavs only 1 game or two behind Boozer numbers in november21 points on 60% shooting 10 boards (2off) 14 shots per gameDirk27 points on 48% shooting 8 boards (1off) 20 shots per game DecemberBoozer18.5 points 51% shooting 10 boards (2off) 14 shots per gamedirk22points 50% shooting 7 boards (1off) 15 shots per game Januaryboozer19 points 56%shooting 11 boards (2off) 13 shots per gameDirk25 points 47%shooting 7boards (shy off 1off) 19 shots per game Februaryboozer 21points 60%shooting 13boards (3.5off) 14 shots per gameDirk25.5 points 49%shooting 7 boards (1off) 19 shots per game are u telling me dirk has been playing better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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